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Just wanted to get some feedback on this from the forum. An amnesty for illegal drug users convicted of nonviolent drug crimes would help reintegrate thousands and thousands of Americans back into the mainstream of society. It would remove the stigma of having criminal records, and would mean their slates would be wiped clean. It would mean fewer people disqualified from many jobs (which limits the labor pool even further).
Just wanted to get some feedback on this from the forum. An amnesty for illegal drug users convicted of nonviolent drug crimes would help reintegrate thousands and thousands of Americans back into the mainstream of society. It would remove the stigma of having criminal records, and would mean their slates would be wiped clean. It would mean fewer people disqualified from many jobs (which limits the labor pool even further).
What do all of you think?
If we're talking about marijuana, I agree. Harder drugs like meth, no way.
Just wanted to get some feedback on this from the forum. An amnesty for illegal drug users convicted of nonviolent drug crimes would help reintegrate thousands and thousands of Americans back into the mainstream of society. It would remove the stigma of having criminal records, and would mean their slates would be wiped clean. It would mean fewer people disqualified from many jobs (which limits the labor pool even further).
What do all of you think?
majoun, thanks so much for this poll. I was looking for exactly this comparison online and this poll is the only thing that came up in my search results.
Hearing about the proposed amnesty for undocumented immigrants infuriated me. If any nation's amnesty is granted to anyone abused by any nation's system, a nation should grant amnesty to those abused by its own system FIRST! Let's start closest to home, shall we?
Opening either the drug convict or the illegal immigrant flood gate all at once may be a guarantee of complete social chaos, but dialog about amnesty in the US must include dialog about drug war prisoner amnesty to be FAIR. What if even one of those drug convicts also happens to be an American military veteran who fought overseas?
People will argue that too many "drug" convicts are really in there for violence and crimes against others, too, so they should remain incarcerated. What ever happened to the common sense notion that when drugs are illegal they are so EXPENSIVE that the only way to support an oppressive habit is to be a thief or a drug trafficker? They are so illicit that the only way to acquire them is by keeping company with illicit people?
And, how many among the recent flood of unaccompanied undocumented children immigrants are a direct result of the drug wars south of the borders?
People will argue that while Marijuana convictions may in fact be far too excessive for the crime, more hardcore drug users, such as meth and heroin addicts are too dangerous to society. Do these arguing people think about how much the STIGMA against these addiction problems prevent the addicts from successfully cleaning up? If everywhere one turns, one is called a scum bag, a low life, which would one prefer, trying and perhaps failing in public for sobriety, or dying a slow death via self-anesthetizing?
Regardless of how our country ultimately rights the wrong against so many individuals who were merely seeking a way to break out of their own mental prisons, the less stigmatized these individuals are, the more likely we can learn from them and educate our children with respect through the truth and not political hype.
I have many non-American friends who all say the same thing: Judge the future of a country by how it treats its own people. The US is looking worse and worse, these days. We don't feed our own people enough quality food. We'd rather pump our sick people full of band-aid chemicals than address proper nutrition. Sure, bring on the immigrants. More people to sell fake food and "legal" toxic drugs to.
And the corporation share holders, including for the privatized prisons, get richer and richer, drunker and drunker, their workers cheaper and cheaper.
Money can be an addiction too.
Last edited by pontyrogof; 08-09-2014 at 06:58 PM..
majoun, thanks so much for this poll. I was looking for exactly this comparison online and this poll is the only thing that came up in my search results.
Hearing about the proposed amnesty for undocumented immigrants infuriated me. If any nation's amnesty is granted to anyone abused by any nation's system, a nation should grant amnesty to those abused by its own system FIRST! Let's start closest to home, shall we?
Opening either the drug convict or the illegal immigrant flood gate all at once may be a guarantee of complete social chaos, but dialog about amnesty in the US must include dialog about drug war prisoner amnesty to be FAIR. What if even one of those drug convicts also happens to be an American military veteran who fought overseas?
People will argue that too many "drug" convicts are really in there for violence and crimes against others, too, so they should remain incarcerated. What ever happened to the common sense notion that when drugs are illegal they are so EXPENSIVE that the only way to support an oppressive habit is to be a thief or a drug trafficker? They are so illicit that the only way to acquire them is by keeping company with illicit people?
And, how many among the recent flood of unaccompanied undocumented children immigrants are a direct result of the drug wars south of the borders?
People will argue that while Marijuana convictions may in fact be far too excessive for the crime, more hardcore drug users, such as meth and heroin addicts are too dangerous to society. Do these arguing people think about how much the STIGMA against these addiction problems prevent the addicts from successfully cleaning up? If everywhere one turns, one is called a scum bag, a low life, which would one prefer, trying and perhaps failing in public for sobriety, or dying a slow death via self-anesthetizing?
Regardless of how our country ultimately rights the wrong against so many individuals who were merely seeking a way to break out of their own mental prisons, the less stigmatized these individuals are, the more likely we can learn from them and educate our children with respect through the truth and not political hype.
I have many non-American friends who all say the same thing: Judge the future of a country by how it treats its own people. The US is looking worse and worse, these days. We don't feed our own people enough quality food. We'd rather pump our sick people full of band-aid chemicals than address proper nutrition. Sure, bring on the immigrants. More people to sell fake food and "legal" toxic drugs to.
And the corporation share holders, including for the privatized prisons, get richer and richer, drunker and drunker, their workers cheaper and cheaper.
Money can be an addiction too.
Many of those drug convicts are veterans who fought overseas. We do have a lot of homeless vets and homeless people often get dragged into the hard drug culture.
We owe it to them to make their re-entry into society easier.
Many of those drug convicts are veterans who fought overseas. We do have a lot of homeless vets and homeless people often get dragged into the hard drug culture.
We owe it to them to make their re-entry into society easier.
I would vote for neither also, but since that's not an option, I vote for amnesty for the drug users. Illegal amnesty for illegals would just bring more drug (and gang) problems, plus it's a slap in the face for the legal immigrants. We've already tried amnesty for illegals. They're not going away. Even if we did have amnesty for them, we would still have thousands crossing the border illegally, and just waiting it out on our money, until we give them amnesty again.
How about both? I have no problem with people getting high, gov't has no business telling us what we can and cannot take, even if it might be bad for us.
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