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Old 03-14-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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Driller1
You know your argument to “just not buy” is absurd. There is a minimum amount of oil I have to buy to get to work and other fuel purchases are factored into everything we buy. My bus fare has gone up to $80 per week because of fuel prices. How has your business been effected by the price of oil your rigs burn? Have you been stuck with a low bid based on last December’s oil price? If not you are very fortunate.
Yes, off road diesel HAS gone up.

No, I do not bid that far ahead.

$80 a week????

Wow!!!!

How far to you ride???
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Any of my money taken by the government in taxes is just as certainly not my money any more than money I pay for monopoly priced gasoline. At least I have some miniscule say in how much the government charges for my citizenship. I have absolutely no say in how much the oil suppliers charge.

Maybe we could limit how much the petroleum theives could charge us?
Research how well price controls work.
You can sit in line and talk about the weather with your comrades while waiting for your ration of fuel.

Of course you can elect not to purchase fuel, but we enjoy no such choice where taxes are concerned.
Ever hear of an oil company garnishing wages or seizing assets because somebody didn't fill up last week?
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: SC
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Your erstwhile tax dollars cease to be yours the moment you send a check to Uncle Sam. Your former dollars are no more than the money that you pay to a a condominium association, homeowner's association or dues to a club or organization. And while you will have some degree in how the groups money is spent, it ain't yours no more.

Taxes are like dues, paying them is the price of membership and for the goods and services they provide. If you don't what the club, condo, homeowners association spends money on, then vote for new directors, if that doesn't work and you don't like the decisions of the club, quit. If you don't like the condo association, move. But forget about the idea that money paid in is your money. It ain't.

This rant paid for with my money.
Think for a moment. Who does the government work for? Who pays their salaries? WE DO! That means our tax dollars are our money (that we are dumb enough to part with to pay for bloated and inefficient federal, state and local governments). What we need to do is shut down 3/4 of the Federal government for starters including the Federal Reserve and the IRS and we'd all be a LOT better off!
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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I just read the Crockett piece on page 2, are there are many great principles to highlight.

On government charity...

We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money.

...

The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means.

...

You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other.

...

There are plenty of wealthy men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life.' "The congressmen chose to keep their own money,


The last one got me in that Congressman gets tons and tons of money and have influence with people who have a lot of money - but rarely do they use their own for charitable purposes. Yet they find it OK to use our money - we who have a fraction of the amount that they have.

Especially gets me when stuff like this continues to exist.

GINGREY: Stop paying public unions to haggle for more money

Federal employees earn higher salaries than private employees in eight out of 10 occupations. In fact, a typical federal worker is paid 20 percent more than a private-sector worker in the same job.

...

These deals are negotiated through collective bargaining, which as it stands now, can be done on official time, funded - once again - by the U.S. taxpayer.


So we pay for larger salaries, pensions, AND their time used to bargain for more money - with which mandatory money is extracted for union leadership purposes, part of which goes to elect Democrats. Corruption indeed.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:16 PM
 
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Think for a moment.
I do for most of the hours that I am awake.

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Who does the government work for? Who pays their salaries? WE DO!
I'm with you so far... didn't require much thinking though.

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That means our tax dollars are our money
Ah no, it was your money but then you spent it for goods and services most of which, believe it or not, you demanded (well maybe not you but others) and I think that is one of the biggest problem that a lot of you have wrapping your heads around and will be stunned by if you ever got the opportunity to shrink the government by some draconian degree. You see most of the things that government does are hidden from view, except when something goes wrong which considering the magnitude of services provided by government is actually quite rare.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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Default "Just When You Thought You Had Hear It All" !!!

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The entire premise of this thread = FAIL
whatyousay !!! ... Agreed !!!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH !!! It's dat ole part about tax money in the States
"Not being The Peoples Money" dat makes Old Sgt. Lamar set sail this evening yet again with me good buddy Capt. Morgan !

Blimey ...some of the blighters on wonderful old CDF definitely have too much time on their hands !!! ... What ?

Ta Mates / Old Sgt. Lamar
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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I am self employed.
That doesnt exempt you from paying the FICA, which is called SECA for those of us self employed..
Self-Employment Tax
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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That doesnt exempt you from paying the FICA, which is called SECA for those of us self employed..
Self-Employment Tax

Not only are the self-employed, required to pay, they have to
pay the whole thing. (both the employer and employee portion.)
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:26 AM
 
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That doesnt exempt you from paying the FICA, which is called SECA for those of us self employed..
Self-Employment Tax
Now run the formula with the bottom line on the front of a 1040 being "0".

I know my business a little better than you.....
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Your erstwhile tax dollars cease to be yours the moment you send a check to Uncle Sam. Your former dollars are no more than the money that you pay to a a condominium association, homeowner's association or dues to a club or organization. And while you will have some degree in how the groups money is spent, it ain't yours no more.

Taxes are like dues, paying them is the price of membership and for the goods and services they provide. If you don't what the club, condo, homeowners association spends money on, then vote for new directors, if that doesn't work and you don't like the decisions of the club, quit. If you don't like the condo association, move. But forget about the idea that money paid in is your money. It ain't.

This rant paid for with my money.
Wow. This post is really disturbing. Illustrates very very well how the left thinks though. Thanks for shining the light of truth on how disturbed the left really are. Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.
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