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Old 03-15-2011, 11:00 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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He plays with words, "we control" only means the oil the gov't is allowing us to extract, not how much we actually have in the ground. We don't cotrol vast amounts of off shore oil, because 0bama and the dems refuse to allow us to control/drill for it.
?? What are you talking about?
We are drilling for oil off the Gulf Coast - over 3,800 active platforms.

Here are gulf oil production numbers going back to 1981.

PolitiFact | Barack Obama says Gulf oil production hit record level in 2010
Barrels/day
1981: 719,000
1982: 786,000
1983: 876,000
1984: 956,000
1985: 941,000
1986: 960,000
1987: 892,000
1988: 818,000
1989: 764,000
1990: 739,000
1991: 799,000
1992: 822,000
1993: 825,000
1994: 860,000
1995: 943,000
1996: 1,021,000
1997: 1,129,000
1998: 1,228,000
1999: 1,354,000
2000: 1,430,000
2001: 1,536,000
2002: 1,556,000
2003: 1,559,000
2004: 1,453,000
2005: 1,282,000
2006: 1,299,000
2007: 1,277,000
2008: 1,152,000
2009: 1,559,000
2010: 1,640,000 (estimate)
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Stop inferring what I am saying, I am not "blaming the President for" not developing the technology, I blame him for misleading the people by excluding the massive amounts of shale oil we could extract. Shale oil should be a part of his WTF plan, at least as much as developing improved technologies in solar panels and battery storage.
Has he put a ban on shale research? And there isn't much to infer but clearly evident that you can't compose a sentence without blaming the president. And you refuse to use a perspective either, evidence of your mindset, the mentality you prefer to operate with.

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I was not endorsing their conclusions to 400 years worth of oil
But you would never question it either because such claims are necessary to promote your belief systems, which is all that such threads are ALWAYS about.
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Stop inferring what I am saying, I am not "blaming the President for" not developing the technology, I blame him for misleading the people by excluding the massive amounts of shale oil we could extract. Shale oil should be a part of his WTF plan, at least as much as developing improved technologies in solar panels and battery storage.

I was not endorsing their conclusions to 400 years worth of oil, but even that government document I linked to in a previous post stated we need government and private sector cooperation to develop a way to properly extract it.
Sounds like you need a job, and want us to expand our efforts to extract the stuff.

Tell ya what, we'll pay you $100K/yr to get it, but after processing, you have to return $98K/yr. There's your shale oil...
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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?? What are you talking about?
We are drilling for oil off the Gulf Coast - over 3,800 active platforms.

Here are gulf oil production numbers going back to 1981.

PolitiFact | Barack Obama says Gulf oil production hit record level in 2010
Barrels/day
1981: 719,000
1982: 786,000
1983: 876,000
1984: 956,000
1985: 941,000
1986: 960,000
1987: 892,000
1988: 818,000
1989: 764,000
1990: 739,000
1991: 799,000
1992: 822,000
1993: 825,000
1994: 860,000
1995: 943,000
1996: 1,021,000
1997: 1,129,000
1998: 1,228,000
1999: 1,354,000
2000: 1,430,000
2001: 1,536,000
2002: 1,556,000
2003: 1,559,000
2004: 1,453,000
2005: 1,282,000
2006: 1,299,000
2007: 1,277,000
2008: 1,152,000
2009: 1,559,000
2010: 1,640,000 (estimate)
And I just cited for you the Energy Information Administration (EIA) Web site:

"Domestic crude oil production, which increased by 150,000 bbl/d in 2010 to 5.51 million bbl/d, declines by 110,000 bbl/d in 2011 and by a further 130,000 bbl/d in 2012

EIA expects production from the Federal Gulf of Mexico (GOM) to fall by 240,000 bbl/d in 2011 and by a further 200,000 bbl/d in 2012.


Liquid fuel net imports, including both crude oil and refined products, fell from 57 percent of total U.S. consumption in 2008 to 49 percent in 2010, primarily because of the decline in consumption during the recession and rising domestic production."


The EIA is telling us what 0bama's policies are doing, our oil production is declining in the Gulf.

EIA - Short-Term Energy Outlook

And if 0bama's energy policies continue to hinder oil drilling and discovery, then our energy production will just continue to decline. As the left is so fond of telling us, once you allow for exploration and drill, it can take a decade to finally witness production results. So in ten years we will have less oil production, because of 0bama's policies today. Even Bill Clinton is speaking out against 0bama's policies.

Former President Bill Clinton said Friday that delays in offshore oil and gas drilling permits are “ridiculous” at a time when the economy is still rebuilding, according to attendees at the IHS CERAWeek conference.

Bill Clinton: Obama Oil Ban ‘Ridiculous’ | Sweetness & Light
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Has he put a ban on shale research? And there isn't much to infer but clearly evident that you can't compose a sentence without blaming the president. And you refuse to use a perspective either, evidence of your mindset, the mentality you prefer to operate with.


But you would never question it either because such claims are necessary to promote your belief systems, which is all that such threads are ALWAYS about.
I did not blame 0bama for banning research, stop with the straw dogs already. If you cannot respond on the substance of the discussion, then don't bother discussing it, and stop trying to infer what i am saying, other then 0bama is purposely misleading the people. Our own government says we have hundreds of billions of barrels in shale oil, and conservative estimates say 800 billion, and yet 0bama uses the line "We can't escape the fact that we control only 2% of the world's oil." He purposely misleads the people.
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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Your ignorance on this topic is astounding. Please study up before spewing more foolishness.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwNgN...F53541DD925945
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I did not blame 0bama for banning research, stop with the straw dogs already. If you cannot respond on the substance of the discussion, then don't bother discussing it, and stop trying to infer what i am saying, other then 0bama is purposely misleading the people. Our own government says we have hundreds of billions of barrels in shale oil, and conservative estimates say 800 billion, and yet 0bama uses the line "We can't escape the fact that we control only 2% of the world's oil." He purposely misleads the people.
You've done nothing but blame Obama. In fact, that is the whole point of the thread, the "substance" you can't live without lately. You've stopped short of blaming the President for USA reaching its oil production peak in 1970, however. I will give you that.

If you want to discuss Obama's claim, I'm sure you can provide a link that isn't paraphrased by someone blowing hot air? Just so that I have a perspective on the subject. Bring it on.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Default Why can't 0bama tell the truth about oil?

Force of Habit?

It's what he does.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Does this president have to make calculated deceptions every time he speaks?

The cost for oil has risen steadily under this president, and when he finally deigns to speak to the nation on March 11th, he repeats old campaign talking points and spews lies, distortions and partisan political rhetoric.
"We can't escape the fact that we control only 2% of the world's oil."
We have a lot more than 2% of the world’s oil, but we are only extracting a mere fraction of all the oil we have. We have about one trillion barrels of oil, it's in places like Alaska, off shore, and locked up in the shale of Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado.
"Industry holds leases on tens of millions of acres both offshore and on land where they aren't producing a thing."
This is such an overused distortion; it shows real dishonesty by our president for him to use it. Those leases are for exploration, and if a large enough deposit of oil is found, then it takes years of regulatory paperwork and court battles before they can ever drill. Where is the logic behind an oil company buying leases and refusing to drill when we have $105 per barrel prices?
"Last year...our oil production reached its highest level in 7 years."
Any increases in oil production would be from the fruits of the Clinton and Bush administrations, not 0bama’s. In fact, we should be pumping more oil, if not for democrats and weak-knees RINOs who would not authorize drilling in this country. Ten years from now we will be in a hurt locker due to 0bama’s efforts to thwart oil drilling and coal mining.

Before the accident with the Deepwater Horizon there were 55 oil rigs drilling offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. Then, in May of 2010 0bama started his six-month moratorium on deep water drilling. Last week, 25 rigs were operating in the Gulf of Mexico. How fewer oil well drilling equals more oil, i'll never know. There is a difference between oil rigs that are static, because of oil drilling bans, ect... and oil rigs that are actually pumping oil.

According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA) Web site:

"Domestic crude oil production, which increased by 150,000 bbl/d in 2010 to 5.51 million bbl/d, declines by 110,000 bbl/d in 2011 and by a further 130,000 bbl/d in 2012

EIA expects production from the Federal Gulf of Mexico (GOM) to fall by 240,000 bbl/d in 2011 and by a further 200,000 bbl/d in 2012.

Liquid fuel net imports, including both crude oil and refined products, fell from 57 percent of total U.S. consumption in 2008 to 49 percent in 2010, primarily because of the decline in consumption during the recession and rising domestic production."

Facts Don't Support Claims on Gulf of Mexico Oil Production - Energy Tomorrow Blog
You are NOT turning my state into a 85,000 sqare mile open-pit mine so you can drive your hummer around.

Face the facts...the easy to reach oil is all gone, and what remains is the stuff that is not cost-effective, practical and/or moral to extract.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Stop inferring what I am saying, I am not "blaming the President for" not developing the technology, I blame him for misleading the people by excluding the massive amounts of shale oil we could extract. Shale oil should be a part of his WTF plan, at least as much as developing improved technologies in solar panels and battery storage.

I was not endorsing their conclusions to 400 years worth of oil, but even that government document I linked to in a previous post stated we need government and private sector cooperation to develop a way to properly extract it.
well Canada was going to approve a new gen 4++ 2.4 megawatt nuclear power plant to refine the shale oil. it was the only cheap method otherwise, it would need to be natural gas powered plant and would make it to expensive to produce at this time.
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