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Old 03-16-2011, 06:39 PM
 
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You can believe all the fantasy stories you wish. But when you start to cost the tax payer Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars to keep a brain dead, no chance of recovering, baby alive you've crossed the line. You're point of view is totally absurd and unreasonable. You don't have the right to drag the tax payer into your weird religious motivated fiasco. The Hospital that agreed to take this baby just severely hurt the care they give to their other patients.


Prove that US taxpayer funds are being used and you might have an arguement, might, after you have also denied hospital care to every person in the US illegally. Until that time, your outrage is selective hypocrisy at best.

The Canadian hospital was refusing to allow the parents to take their child elsewhere for a second opinion. Are you suggesting that no parent should be allowed to get their child a second opinion when a death sentence is being faced? Really?

Go figure the left is all for endless death row appeals for convicted murderers but not for a terminally ill 13 mo. old little boy. Way to place a value on life and the respect for the rights of parents to make medical decisions for their children.
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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Meanwhile, Obama was trying to mandate that everyone be presented with an end of life questionnaire.
It was none of BO's business what my end of life wishes were.
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Actually.. it does. The first sentence of the article is, "The parents of a terminally ill Canadian toddler deemed to be in a permanent vegetative state..."


Oh I know... and that's what people have to realize here. This case is not about the child. It's not about cruelty and it's not about Mercy.

It is about parents in grief.
Well, I missed that and I read the article several times over. The parents do want to let him die, they just want him to have the trach so he can die at home.
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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This is a sad situation. I would not want to see my child suffer, nor would I want my children to let me suffer. I would pull the tube.

If the reason is religious with the understanding that only God can make this decision, I would say that God already has made the decision. Let him go, it is man (not God) that is keeping him alive.
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:29 PM
 
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My decision would be that a permanent vegetative state is the sign from the ether world that it's time to let go. I would be next to their side when the last breath is taken. I've been there twice with close family members. It's not easy to let them go, but we must. Personally, I think it's selfish to try and keep someone alive that is in a permanent vegetative state and I would hate my family if they did that to me. If I was in that position, please let me go.
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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What is the matter with these parents? Their first baby was the same...Why go through it all again? All they can hope for is to delay the babies death for a few months...The baby is a vegetable, so I'd pull the plug and sterilize the parent who's genes are causing this horrible problem.

Moe, the baby's father, told me: "Our first child (with the same neurodegenerative disorder) had a tracheotomy and we took care of her at home."

He also stated: "We managed this tracheotomy without a problem or infection for six months prior to her death."

Read more: Let's acknowledge the plight of baby Joseph (http://www.windsorstar.com/acknowledge+plight+baby+Joseph/4407218/story.html#ixzz1GojIZpC5 - broken link)
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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What would you do?

Canadian boy moved to US over end-of-life dispute

Canadian boy moved to US over end-of-life dispute | US National Headlines | Comcast.net (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110314/US.Canadian.Boy.End.of.Life.Dispute/ - broken link)

ST. LOUIS — A Canadian couple transferred their terminally ill toddler son to a Catholic hospital in St. Louis after an Ontario court ruled that doctors could remove the breathing tube keeping the boy alive.

Thirteen-month-old Joseph Maraachli arrived at Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital on Sunday after the hospital agreed to treat the boy. The hospital issued a statement Monday saying Joseph arrived in serious but stable condition and was being evaluated by doctors there.
I can't imagine that a tracheotomy would have to be an extremely expensive procedure. Really it wouldn't take much for anyone to figure out how to perform that procedure.

Then he can move to skilled nursing, he doesn't need to stay in an acute care hospital.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:20 PM
 
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What is the matter with these parents? Their first baby was the same...Why go through it all again? All they can hope for is to delay the babies death for a few months...The baby is a vegetable, so I'd pull the plug and sterilize the parent who's genes are causing this horrible problem.

Moe, the baby's father, told me: "Our first child (with the same neurodegenerative disorder) had a tracheotomy and we took care of her at home."

He also stated: "We managed this tracheotomy without a problem or infection for six months prior to her death."

Read more: Let's acknowledge the plight of baby Joseph (http://www.windsorstar.com/acknowledge+plight+baby+Joseph/4407218/story.html#ixzz1GojIZpC5 - broken link)
If they take care of him at home like they did their first child, then it isn't going to cost any taxpayers all that much money.

I don't see why Canada would deny people who will provide the care for their loved ones themselves a fairly simple procedure. It couldn't cost nearly as much as most cosmetic surgeries that are obviously completely unnecessary even if they're coded to make big money for the hospital.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:34 PM
 
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What would you do?

Canadian boy moved to US over end-of-life dispute

Canadian boy moved to US over end-of-life dispute | US National Headlines | Comcast.net (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110314/US.Canadian.Boy.End.of.Life.Dispute/ - broken link)

ST. LOUIS — A Canadian couple transferred their terminally ill toddler son to a Catholic hospital in St. Louis after an Ontario court ruled that doctors could remove the breathing tube keeping the boy alive.

Thirteen-month-old Joseph Maraachli arrived at Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital on Sunday after the hospital agreed to treat the boy. The hospital issued a statement Monday saying Joseph arrived in serious but stable condition and was being evaluated by doctors there.
Do people really expect anything different under any type of government run health care?
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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Do people really expect anything different under any type of government run health care?
Did you catch the part about how they had to go 450 miles from home to even find a US hospital that would do it? They were declined by our hospitals, too.
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