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Are you serious? If you can show me all policies enacted by Hitler and the National Socialist German Worker's Party were actually voted on and in a legislature I will be more than happy to provide that for you.
Perfectly serious. You claim the Nazis enacted public ownership of the means of production. I am politely asking for some sort of cite. We both know that there were no parliament and no vote, but laws and decrees were most certainly passed and acted upon.
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Not completely, but yes the U.S. somewhat did.
OK, so it's the definition of public ownership that's causing confusion. I suggest that public ownership can't be considered a policy for any governing body unless there's some sort of official action taken to change the ownership.
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Why would they not have ownership after the body stripping it from the was erased?
Sounds like you're arguing that ownership was in fact stripped. Which should make it so much easier to provide a cite.
And the counterquestion is: Why would the company owners be held responsible at Nuremberg if they didn't, in fact, retain ownership throughout the war?
Personally, I feel Hitler was a hypocrit. Jesus never taught us to kill. Hitler was the one espousing "ethnic cleansing". If I was alive in Germany during Hitler's time, I would have been dead because I would have been taken to the camps. Black people were in the camps too.
Personally, I feel Hitler was a hypocrit. Jesus never taught us to kill. Hitler was the one espousing "ethnic cleansing". If I was alive in Germany during Hitler's time, I would have been dead because I would have been taken to the camps. Black people were in the camps too.
Like all dictators trying to monopolize their power base:
"The fate of black people from 1933 to 1945 in Nazi Germany and in German-occupied territories ranged from isolation to persecution, sterilization, medical experimentation, incarceration, brutality, and murder. However, there was no systematic program for their elimination as there was for Jews and other groups."
Personally, I feel Hitler was a hypocrit. Jesus never taught us to kill. Hitler was the one espousing "ethnic cleansing". If I was alive in Germany during Hitler's time, I would have been dead because I would have been taken to the camps. Black people were in the camps too.
Actually, some people took it to a whole different level of "Christianity":
I hate the treatment of the Jews. I think it is a bad side of the movement and I will have nothing to do with it. I did not join the party to do that sort of thing. I joined the party because I thought and still think that Hitler did the greatest Christian work for twenty-five years. I saw seven million men rotting in the streets - often I was there too, and no one, not even the Churches, seemed to care that it was a wicked thing that children of God should be thus to rot. Then Hitler came and he took all those men off the streets and gave them health and security and work at least for the time being. Wasn't that a Christian act?
Under the definition of fascism, it won't qualify as such. And it won't qualify as communist either. Fascism is about corporate state that believes in corporate welfare whereas, socialism/communism are about social welfare. Neither is true of China. There are no workers' rights, people's right are equally controlled, and corporations, while supported via policies, aren't into policy-making. Whereas fascism requires private corporations to be in position to make policies, and is the trusted means to handle social and economic issues. The top government is technically only a supervisory body to which everybody "reports". Chinese government is too "hands on" to be fascist at one extreme or Marxist at the other.
"The fate of black people from 1933 to 1945 in Nazi Germany and in German-occupied territories ranged from isolation to persecution, sterilization, medical experimentation, incarceration, brutality, and murder. However, there was no systematic program for their elimination as there was for Jews and other groups."
There were also very few Black people in Germany as well. Part of the point I was making was that as a Black person in Nazi Germany, my fate would have been horrible.
Actually, some people took it to a whole different level of "Christianity":
I hate the treatment of the Jews. I think it is a bad side of the movement and I will have nothing to do with it. I did not join the party to do that sort of thing. I joined the party because I thought and still think that Hitler did the greatest Christian work for twenty-five years. I saw seven million men rotting in the streets - often I was there too, and no one, not even the Churches, seemed to care that it was a wicked thing that children of God should be thus to rot. Then Hitler came and he took all those men off the streets and gave them health and security and work at least for the time being. Wasn't that a Christian act?
But the point was, a systematic genocide of anyone is nothing Jesus Christ would have taught. Jesus Christ explicitly taught that you shall not kill. Hitler was killing people, the very opposite of what Jesus was teaching.
But the point was, a systematic genocide of anyone is nothing Jesus Christ would have taught. Jesus Christ explicitly taught that you shall not kill. Hitler was killing people, the very opposite of what Jesus was teaching.
Good point, his one commandment was love, not a lot of love in gassing people.
But the point was, a systematic genocide of anyone is nothing Jesus Christ would have taught. Jesus Christ explicitly taught that you shall not kill. Hitler was killing people, the very opposite of what Jesus was teaching.
That is true. But it only brings out the real issue that perception is king, not necessarily the realities. Take another example for example: Pride. There are plenty of people who think that pride is above everything else. Humility is seen as a sign of weakness. These are usually people who also claim to be Christians, whereas the Bible (as in Proverbs) pushes against pride, calling it as something that comes before the fall. But where is socio-political advantage to that?
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What does the fact, today, 60 yrs later, we are still discussing the impact Adolph Hitler has/had on the world? He may have been an evil man, however, if people can look beyond their hatred, etc, they my find a few of the things he spoke about and, in fact did, was positive.
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