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Old 03-16-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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The Koch Bros. reputation precedes them.

Koch Industries is also a major polluter. During the 1990s, its faulty pipelines were responsible for more than 300 oil spills in five states, prompting a landmark penalty of $35 million from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). In Minnesota, it was fined an additional $8 million for discharging oil into streams. During the months leading up to the 2000 presidential elections, the company faced even more liability, in the form of a 97-count federal indictment charging it with concealing illegal releases of 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. Koch Industries was ranked number 10 on the list of Toxic 100 Air Polluters by the Political Economy Research Institute in March, 2010.

In a study released in the spring of 2010, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the United States' top ten air polluters.
Koch Industries - SourceWatch

To even attempt to defend these guys or negate their agenda is ludicrous.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:38 AM
 
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The Koch Bros. reputation precedes them.

Koch Industries is also a major polluter. During the 1990s, its faulty pipelines were responsible for more than 300 oil spills in five states, prompting a landmark penalty of $35 million from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). In Minnesota, it was fined an additional $8 million for discharging oil into streams. During the months leading up to the 2000 presidential elections, the company faced even more liability, in the form of a 97-count federal indictment charging it with concealing illegal releases of 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. Koch Industries was ranked number 10 on the list of Toxic 100 Air Polluters by the Political Economy Research Institute in March, 2010.

In a study released in the spring of 2010, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the United States' top ten air polluters.
Koch Industries - SourceWatch

To even attempt to defend these guys or negate their agenda is ludicrous.
Maybe they will be fined on this case....

Maybe not.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:41 AM
 
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There is no proof they are doing it.

This merits a report and investigation..
Who would do the investigation and write the report?
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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Quit making laws allowing these polluters to continue on their merry way. Enforce laws in place for polluters and hold them accountable. These guys were given an inch by politicians and they took a mile.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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Millions Of Gallons Of Raw Sewage Dumped Into River - Louisville News Story - WLKY Louisville (http://www.wlky.com/r/21590041/detail.html - broken link)

Here is one link out of hundreds.

Ya gotta love that city water.
Oh please. That is a disaster scenario. These old sewer systems built with CSO stormwater overflows are very problematic, but they do this during severe events because they were often built in the late 1800's. That's different than Georgia Pacific dumping from a point source on a constant basis through manufacturing, on a modern plant.

But even if you obstinately refuse to admit that it is different, then do you not recognize that they are both problems that need to be fixed? Cities are working on CSO problems, so how does the existence of their problem, mean that the other problem is OK?

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Old 03-16-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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Who would do the investigation and write the report?
The first report would be the local heath department.

I am sure the state and EPA would do their own work up.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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Oh please. That is a disaster scenario. These old sewer systems built with CSO stormwater overflows are very problematic, but they do this during severe events. That's different than Georgia Pacific dumping on a constant basis through manufacturing.

But even if you obstinately refuse to admit that it is different, then do you not recognize that they are both problems that need to be fixed? How does the existence of one problem, mean that the other problem is OK?
I thought you did not believe it???
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Quit making laws allowing these polluters to continue on their merry way. Enforce laws in place for polluters and hold them accountable. These guys were given an inch by politicians and they took a mile.
Yep, close the plants!!!!!
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Environmental Groups Claim Georgia-Pacific Dumps Pollution - ArkansasMatters.com

"Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility and the Ouachita Riverkeeper says a Georgia-Pacific plant owned by the Koch brothers is dumping 45-million gallons of paper mill waste every day into Coffee Creek, which flows into the Ouachita River.
Union members attack, but the EPA had to approve all filters in the plant before they could get permits by government to return water to the river.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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I thought you did not believe it???
You were misleading by equating a system that dumps as a normal operating procedure (Georgia Pacific), to a system that dumps as an overflow in severe situations (CSOs).

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were just misleading everyone because you didn't understand the difference, rather than just lying outright.

Anyway, are you going to answer my question? Why does the existence of one problem we're working to eliminate (CSO's), make it okay to allow a second problem to exist (G-P's source point dumping) ?
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