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I dunno. Sucker punching is the worst. I would never fault someone who got sucker punched for fighting back.
Without the video, you wouldnt know who the bully was.
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Originally Posted by scuba steve
Punished for defending himself? No way - that's a HUGE part of what's wrong with schools now. And the mother of the bully's expectations as well apparently.
Since when were you allowed to fight in school and not expect to be punished, despite who the agressor is? 20-30 years ago when I went to school it was no different.. BOTH people got punished, regardless who started the fight..
I teach my kids to keep their hands to themself, and get adult help if they can. If they cant thats another story but the kid being puched could have made the same choice, he chose not to.. Yes, bad choices have consequences..
The way the bully was beat down, he's lucky he didnt hit his head or neck causing serious lifelong damages. Then the school and the family would be getting sued for not protecting the child, even though he was the one attacking..
The reality is all actions do not have fairconsequences. The bully should have beed suspended. The victim should have gotten a hug and an appoligy from the principle for not taking care of his bullying problems long ago. He had been complaining for some time.
The bullying by the child wasn't the fault of the administrator. Why go there? Teachers and administrators spend a huge amount of time trying to keep children from being human beings. Violence is in our natures whether we want to admit it or not. While school personel really do try to keep bullying from happening all they can do is keep the level down. We cannot stop it completely.
As you have already indicated, this world isn't fair. Schools have their primary concerns, safety and education being the primary ones. In a multicultural society where everybody comes with a lawyer in their back pocket the school administrators had no other course he/she could have taken if only because life isn't fair for them either.
BTW, it's considered inadvisable for school personel to "hug" kids today. That can lead to misunderstandings that can get you fired. It really isn't a fair world is it?
Since when were you allowed to fight in school and not expect to be punished, despite who the agressor is? 20-30 years ago when I went to school it was no different.. BOTH people got punished, regardless who started the fight..
We obviously went to different school districts back in the day. In the 70s, the couple times I put a bully in their place, in full view of teachers, I got a pat on the back and a "good job" from some teachers, no comments from others. No other repercutions.
I never had an issue with the bullys again...nor did some other kids they liked to pick on. Today's policy is just assinine, it treats the victim the same as the perpetrator. Kind of like locking up a rape victim with the rapist, their both equally guilty, right?
Without the video, you wouldnt know who the bully was.
Since when were you allowed to fight in school and not expect to be punished, despite who the agressor is? 20-30 years ago when I went to school it was no different.. BOTH people got punished, regardless who started the fight..
I teach my kids to keep their hands to themself, and get adult help if they can. If they cant thats another story but the kid being puched could have made the same choice, he chose not to.. Yes, bad choices have consequences..
The way the bully was beat down, he's lucky he didnt hit his head or neck causing serious lifelong damages. Then the school and the family would be getting sued for not protecting the child, even though he was the one attacking..
Video or not I don't think that smaller kid was going to quit hitting the other one. If you cut and run with a bully you will have signed yourself up for years of it.
Since when were you allowed to fight in school and not expect to be punished, despite who the agressor is? 20-30 years ago when I went to school it was no different.. BOTH people got punished, regardless who started the fight..
I teach my kids to keep their hands to themself, and get adult help if they can. If they cant thats another story but the kid being puched could have made the same choice, he chose not to.. Yes, bad choices have consequences..
The way the bully was beat down, he's lucky he didnt hit his head or neck causing serious lifelong damages. Then the school and the family would be getting sued for not protecting the child, even though he was the one attacking..
I don't think it should matter how this situation would have been handled 20-30 years ago.
I think that the real choice in this situation was that of the aggressor when he decided to physically attack the larger kid. If you're being punched in the face that tends to cloud your judgement. Add that to the fact that this isn't the first time that kid has dealt with this and you might not be able to imagine the frustration and emotional baggage that has built up over the (possibly) years.
The bullying by the child wasn't the fault of the administrator. Why go there? Teachers and administrators spend a huge amount of time trying to keep children from being human beings. Violence is in our natures whether we want to admit it or not. While school personel really do try to keep bullying from happening all they can do is keep the level down. We cannot stop it completely.
As you have already indicated, this world isn't fair. Schools have their primary concerns, safety and education being the primary ones. In a multicultural society where everybody comes with a lawyer in their back pocket the school administrators had no other course he/she could have taken if only because life isn't fair for them either.
BTW, it's considered inadvisable for school personel to "hug" kids today. That can lead to misunderstandings that can get you fired. It really isn't a fair world is it?
I guessed you missed where I said the victim had been complaining of bullying for some time. IT IS the fault of the administrator. He should have done something about it long ago. His inaction emboldened the bully.
Regardless of the video, the bullying looks pretty 'standard' of what goes on in schools around the world. You don't need a video to know who's the bully and who's the victim in MOST instances. One kid trying to be the tough guy, the victim trying to mind his own business and avoid a confrontation and A BUNCH of people standing around watching it and doing NOTHING to stop the fight. What is also standard, sadly, is the victim getting the same punishment as the bully. If the administrators and teachers are so concerned for the safety of their students, they should be paying attention to avoid these incidents and taking care of the issues with bullies as soon as the first incident is reported. I'm sure this wasn't the first time this bully taunted this kid, probably bullied other kids as well. And I'm also sure that those 'caring' administrators and teachers have dismissed this and many other incidents reported to them. What's their punishment for allowing a bully to walk around and torment other students? Google the story and you will find the report and interviews with former and current students talking about the rampant violence and bullying at this particular school.
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