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Old 03-24-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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How about some other benefits of civil marriage contracts? One benefit is that if an American citizen falls in love with and marries a foreigner, that foreign spouse is entitled to a spousal immigration visa so he or she can stay in the US with his or her American spouse so they can make a home together. Would you suggest doing away with that? In your no civil marriage America, if I fall in love with and marry a foreigner, is it just tough luck - we can't be and live together in the United States?


I have a friend caught up in this situation. My friend Ben spent a year in Prague after college graduation on a Fulbright scholarship. He met a man, Lukas, and they fell in love. They want nothing more than to make a life together in Ben's hometown - Seattle - but Lukas can't immigrate. For the last 4 years, the two have been shuttling back and forth between the US and the Czech Republic - Lukas on a string of 6 month tourist visas, and Ben on a tourist visa or sometimes a short duration work visa. It's very tough on them. Usually only one can work, so he has to support both financially. There have been long periods when they had to be apart. And both have had to put off finding and establishing careers for the last 4 years.

The disgusting and enraging part is that if Ben were heterosexual and Lukas were a women, they could get married and live together in the US under a spousal immigration visa. But no. Since Ben is gay he's discriminated against and is denied that civil right. Thanks DOMA.
Thanks for sharing that. This country is so backwards in its thinking.
People just don't think about how denying equal civil rights really impacts people. This kind of discrimination hurts gay people. Consider what's about to happen with the military (in a few months the ban on homosexuals in the military will be gone and gays will be able to serve openly).

Imagine 2 male Marines, both from Iowa, one gay and one straight. When the straight Marine gets married, he's entitled to on base family housing or increased pay in the form of a housing allowance, and his wife is able to shop at the base commissary. When the gay Marine gets married - well, not so much. Even though in Iowa he's just as married, because of DOMA, he's not eligible for on base family housing, he gets paid less than his straight counterpart because being gay he's not given increased housing allowance pay, and his husband is not allowed to shop at the base commissary.

How is that fair? How is that equal treatment under the law?

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Old 03-25-2011, 01:29 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Yes .. it's always been about the money .. love is just an excuse that gets used when someone else thinks it's time for a payday.
I wonder if WCH would put his money where his mouth is and dissolve his marriage (if he's married) papers and try to survive without the protections that it offers to him, spouse and family members? Until he's willing to do that, it's a case of put up or shut up.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I say we repeal John Kerry from the political scene forever.

Civil unions. That's as far as I will budge on homosexual marriage.

"Separate but equal. That's as far as I will budge on racial integration."



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Old 03-25-2011, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Senator John Kerry: Repeal The Defense Of Marriage Act And Replace It With; The Respect For Marriage Act

How about we just repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, and replace it with the "Why Don't You Just Shut The Hell Up And Leave Us Alone To Make Up Our Own Minds At The State Level About Marriage Act"

John Kerry .. heh .. what a ruse
This can't be a state issue as long as there are Federal level benefits and protections associated with it.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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So true.
This isn't about love, partnership, etc., but greed.
Nope, it's about equality. Why should WE get it but deny it to them? There is no legal reason to do so.

I'm all for Gov getting out of the marriage business, but until then the benefits and protections should be available to ALL citizens.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Talk to a lawyer and get a contract drawn up granting those protections. Heck, if you want to have a cutesy little ceremony while you do it, that's fine w/me.



For as long as this country has been in existence marriage has been 1 man, 1 woman. Why should we be forced to change that now because 200 + years later a small minority of people decide they don't like that and want a new version?
Miscegenation laws were in place starting in the late 1600s - should those have been allowed to continue, as well? That's a pretty weak argument...
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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Miscegenation laws were in place starting in the late 1600s - should those have been allowed to continue, as well? That's a pretty weak argument...
Not to mention that the first law banning homosexuals from accessing civil marriage contracts was passed by Maryland in 1973.
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Nope, it's about equality. Why should WE get it but deny it to them? There is no legal reason to do so.

I'm all for Gov getting out of the marriage business, but until then the benefits and protections should be available to ALL citizens.
Touche'........good post>>>>>

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