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Old 04-13-2011, 10:46 PM
 
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No, it is not. First time U.S. Passport applicants are required to provide a birth certificate that lists the birthplace of their parents. That info is required on the original passport application.
Here's the State Department's requirements. Please tell me where you see a requirement that a birth certificate contain the parents' birthplace.

New Requirement for U.S. Birth Certificates

 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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No, its fact and law.

The sources are being smeared because they are lying right in the actual source.

Hawaii does NOT provide the long form, they don't period.
They are required by Hawaiian state law to provide a certified copy of ANY vital record requested.
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338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
Furthermore, Obama's COLB is inadequate because the info on it could have been changed at any time according to HDOH policy.
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Any person to whom a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth has been issued may submit a request to amend an entry, including a legal change of name, on an existing Certificate. A request to amend a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will, however, be considered to be and treated as an application with the Department of Health for registration of a late certificate of birth in current use, unless a standard birth certificate for that person already exists in the vital records of the Department of Health.
Hawaii State Department of Health
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:12 PM
 
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Here's the State Department's requirements. Please tell me where you see a requirement that a birth certificate contain the parents' birthplace.
From the State Dept:
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Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
First Time Applicants

Also note that application form DS-11 requires the birthplaces of the applicant's parents.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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They are required by Hawaiian state law to provide a certified copy of ANY vital record requested.Furthermore, Obama's COLB is inadequate because the info on it could have been changed at any time according to HDOH policy.
Hawaii State Department of Health
Being required to provide a state certified copy of any vital record requested doesn't mean long form. It means just what it says, someone asks for a state certified copy of their birth certificate, they get just that, Obama's COLB is perfectly adequate....
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:15 PM
 
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I don't know what to make of the whole argument... certificate of live birth vs. birth certificate, etc, etc... But I do have one honest to goodness question that I hope someone can answer for me....

The picture of his Certificate of Live Birth says "Barrack Obama II" on it. We all know he changed his name to Barrack later in life. So shouldn't his birth certificate say "Barry" or whatever his birth name was?

If I changed my name, my birth certificate (at least an original) would still say "Mark" on in it, right?

Does anyone know what the story is with this?
Birfer thread de jour.
Perhaps you could read one of the dozens of birfer threads before you start another one.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...2ZWPfECqiNckvg
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:15 PM
 
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From the State Dept:First Time Applicants

Also note that application form DS-11 requires the birthplaces of the applicant's parents.
It says some, because some states may not meet the requirements, but Hawaii is NOT one of those states, it clearly meets all of the requirements. All of the requirements that are listed on the state dept website on found on Obama's birth certificate.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:16 PM
 
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Being required to provide a state certified copy of any vital record requested doesn't mean long form.
"Any certificate" means exactly that... any certificate that the HDOH has in its records.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:17 PM
 
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"Any certificate" means exactly that... any certificate that the HDOH has in its records.
Meaning birth certificate, not long form....
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:18 PM
 
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It says some, because some states may not meet the requirements, but Hawaii is NOT one of those states, it clearly meets all of the requirements. All of the requirements that are listed on the state dept website on found on Obama's birth certificate.
But not all of the info required on application form DS-11 is listed on Obama's COLB. This is true of other states' short form COLBs, as well. Hence, the State Dept's warning that some short form birth record abstracts are not acceptable.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:20 PM
 
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Meaning birth certificate, not long form....
Obama never showed a birth certificate, he showed only a COLB.
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