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Old 04-14-2011, 12:11 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Bideshi View Post
Mr. Obama, please provide the documents required to put this issue to rest once and for all. I am wearied of this "Did so!", "Did not!" gradeschool bickering.
what documents do you think will put this issue to rest?

 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:13 AM
 
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what documents do you think will put this issue to rest?
He's guilty - We don't need no stinking documents!

We got tons of adverse inference.
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:17 AM
 
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You started this by claiming that a real birth certificate contains the birth places of the parents. There is no such requirement for that information to be on a birth certificate in order to get a passport.
The information is required on the DS-11 and the State Dept clearly warns that some abstract birth records are not acceptable for passport purposes.

Let's look carefully at what the State Dept says:
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*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
First Time Applicants

The new policy (to which you refer) on what info is required for a birth certificate to be considered acceptable was just implemented beginning April 1, 2011. While such a certificate establishes evidence of U.S. citizenship, it does not establish verification of the applicant's parents' places of birth.
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In addition to this requirement, certified copies of birth certificates must also include the following information to be considered acceptable primary evidence of U.S. citizenship:
  • Full name of the applicant
  • Date of birth
  • Place of birth
  • Raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal of issuing authority
  • Registrarís signature
  • The date the certificate was filed with the registrarís office (must be within one year)
Hence, the State Dept's warning... "Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes."
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by claudhopper View Post

Does Hawaii ever release long-form birth certificates?
i pointed out in the trump/birther thread that the "danae" cert was missing the state seal and signature of registrar, two things required by the state department for official proof of birth.

did you miss that post or are you choosing to ignore it?
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:20 AM
 
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so you wouldn't consider this a birth certificate?
Did you notice it says "Certificate" and not "Certification?"
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:21 AM
 
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jesus christ another friggin' birther thread, some people need to get a friggin' life....
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:22 AM
 
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Hence, the State Dept's warning... "Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes."
some may not be........ but it appears that the hawaiian COLB is acceptable.
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:25 AM
 
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Did you notice it says "Certificate" and not "Certification?"
so a birth certificate is not a certificate but a certification is?
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
The information is required on the DS-11 and the State Dept clearly warns that some abstract birth records are not acceptable for passport purposes.

Let's look carefully at what the State Dept says: First Time Applicants

The new policy (to which you refer) on what info is required for a birth certificate to be considered acceptable was just implemented beginning April 1, 2011. While such a certificate establishes evidence of U.S. citizenship, it does not establish verification of the applicant's parents' places of birth.
Hence, the State Dept's warning... "Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes."
Yes it says SOME, that means that some short forms do not meet all of the requirements. However, ALL of the requirements that the state dept website for a valid certificate are on Obama's birth certificate.
 
Old 04-14-2011, 12:29 AM
 
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some may not be........ but it appears that the hawaiian COLB is acceptable.
For evidence of U.S. citizenship? Yes. To verify parents' places of birth? No. That's why the State Dept warning clearly says: "Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes."
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