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Old 04-13-2011, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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For evidence of U.S. citizenship? Yes. To verify parents' places of birth? No. That's why the State Dept warning clearly says: "Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes."
The parents places of birth not being on the birth certificate is NOT why the state dept says some short (abstract) versions may not be acceptable.....

The parents place of birth is NOT listed as a requirement for a birth certificate.

 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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For evidence of U.S. citizenship? Yes.
so we both agree that a hawaiian COLB is evidence of birth in the US.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:35 PM
 
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so a birth certificate is not a certificate but a certification is?
That's backwards.

The Nordyke certificate you posted clearly includes information such as the hospital in which the birth took place, the medical attendant, parents' places of birth, etc. Obama's Certification of Live Birth does not contain that info. They're different documents, not the same.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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so we both agree that a hawaiian COLB is evidence of birth in the US.
Only if it hasn't been forged, or amended as permitted by HDOH policy. The only way to determine that is by examining a certified copy of the originally filed birth certificate, which Hawaiian state law requires to be provided upon request.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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That's backwards.

The Nordyke certificate you posted clearly includes information such as the hospital in which the birth took place, the medical attendant, parents' places of birth, etc. Obama's Certification of Live Birth does not contain that info. They're different documents, not the same.
That extraneous information is not required on a certified birth certificate (which certifies that the person on the certificate was, you know, BORN ALIVE).

Also, the requirement that changed for first time passport applicants is merely that the parents' full names be on the document. Obama's certificate fits all of the requirements of the US State Department.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:41 PM
 
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The parents places of birth not being on the birth certificate is NOT why the state dept says some short (abstract) versions may not be acceptable.....
There is nothing to support your assertion.

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The parents place of birth is NOT listed as a requirement for a birth certificate.
...for use as evidence of U.S. citizenship, no.

The warning applies to acceptability for purposes. Go back and read my post.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:43 PM
 
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That's backwards.

The Nordyke certificate you posted clearly includes information such as the hospital in which the birth took place, the medical attendant, parents' places of birth, etc. Obama's Certification of Live Birth does not contain that info. They're different documents, not the same.
My son was born in a foreign country and has a "certificate of birth of a US Citizen abroad" because I, his father, am a US citizen. He was a US citizen from birth, but is not eligible to be president because he was not born inside the United States. On the other hand, an illegal alien's child born in the United States is eligible to be president. Illogical perhaps, but law.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:44 PM
 
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That extraneous information is not required on a certified birth certificate (which certifies that the person on the certificate was, you know, BORN ALIVE).

Also, the requirement that changed for first time passport applicants is merely that the parents' full names be on the document. Obama's certificate fits all of the requirements of the US State Department.
Is this supposed to MEAN something?
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:46 PM
 
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There is nothing to support your assertion.

...for use as evidence of U.S. citizenship, no.

The warning applies to acceptability for purposes. Go back and read my post.
How can there be nothing to support my assertion when it point blanks lists the birth certificate requirements right on the state dept website, and parents place of birth is not one of those listed. You are simply making things up....
 
Old 04-13-2011, 11:46 PM
 
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That extraneous information is not required on a certified birth certificate (which certifies that the person on the certificate was, you know, BORN ALIVE).

Also, the requirement that changed for first time passport applicants is merely that the parents' full names be on the document. Obama's certificate fits all of the requirements of the US State Department.
As evidence of U.S. citizenship, Obama's COLB would "seem" to meet the requirement. As evidence of his parents' places of birth, it does not as that info is not listed. Furthermore, HDOH policy permits the amendment of info listed on the COLB at their discretion. What appears on the COLB may be entirely different from what was on the originally filed birth certificate.
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