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Old 04-23-2011, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:41 PM
 
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...certain information can be made available to anyone in a non-certified manner.]
certification ( state seal and signature of registrar ) is required to meet federal standards for proof of birth documentation.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:41 PM
 
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That does not explain WHY the change was made!

Can you tell me what is going on? Has the policy been changed to protect Obama? Why did Governor Lingle say that Obama had an original vital record but Governor Abercrombie says he doesn’t? Was it made to disappear, or, as former Elections Clerk Tim Adams has stated, did one never exist?
I'm going to just point out the factual misstatements in this one paragraph to highlight why birthers should not have their assertions taken at face value.

1. Abercrombie has never said that Obama doesn't have "an original vital record." Ms. Rondeau here is basing that assertion off of a WND headline which falsely claimed that Abercrombie couldn't find Obama's original birth certificate. In truth, Abercrombie stated in an interview that they had it.
2. Tim Adams didn't state that no birth certificate for Obama exists, he states that he was told by others (without saying who he was told this by) that it didn't exist. He had no access to DoH records while serving as a temporary elections clerk.

Highcotton seems to think this paragraph very important since he highlighted it in red. Unfortunately, the highlight does its job - it highlights how utterly baseless birther theories are.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:41 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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format for proof of birth documents change regularly. this is true for every state. the current hawaiian format meets with all federal requirements.
Your verbage does not come close to answering WHY Hawaii changed their policy of receiving a LONG-FORM from them all of a sudden.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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format for proof of birth documents change regularly. this is true for every state. the current hawaiian format meets with all federal requirements.
I see a white flag in your pocket, hold it up so we all can see
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:46 PM
 
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It's not the same form.
It is the same form.

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You used to be able to request the long form, now you can't.
Not according to the forms I've provided. You of course can counter this by providing the form that you could request it. Make sure that it was a form that was provided in the last 2 months.

Oh wait, you can't, because you are relying on the made up story of an anonymous man.


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When and why did they change it
they didn't. The form has been teh same since 2005. I've provided proof that its been the same since 2005. You however are relying on the anonymous claim of a man who supposedly stated that hte form contained a "check" box. I lived there for 30+ years, and ordered my COLB no less than 3 times. Never once there was a check box to check anything.



You are relying on the hearsay testimony of an anonymous source's story that was told to Miki Booth (who is a birther) who told it toe the Pest and Efail (which is a known racist, birther site).

I have posted the aCTUAL form and linked to the online version. They match.

ANd when I'm in Hawaii next week, I'll drop by to see if they have changed the form (but I'm not holding my breath that they did)
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I'm going to just point out the factual misstatements in this one paragraph to highlight why birthers should not have their assertions taken at face value.

1. Abercrombie has never said that Obama doesn't have "an original vital record." Ms. Rondeau here is basing that assertion off of a WND headline which falsely claimed that Abercrombie couldn't find Obama's original birth certificate. In truth, Abercrombie stated in an interview that they had it.
2. Tim Adams didn't state that no birth certificate for Obama exists, he states that he was told by others (without saying who he was told this by) that it didn't exist. He had no access to DoH records while serving as a temporary elections clerk.

Highcotton seems to think this paragraph very important since he highlighted it in red. Unfortunately, the highlight does its job - it highlights how utterly baseless birther theories are.
Now you are not being truthful, or you are just mistaken. Abercrombie, being such a big fan of Obama's, wanted to prove the birther's wrong. I'll go see it! He couldn't, because it wasn't there. Now you say, he claims they had it - you will need to provide a link, that is not how the story goes. They are changing their stories, but I haven't heard your version. LINK
Secondly, Adams had access to most all the records (as he states in the video I provided a few pages back) - he was told by his boss that Obama's birth certificate does not exist. He does not say who his boss was, for obvious reasons. He goes on to say "everybody knew it didn't exist" or something to that effect.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:50 PM
 
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Why can't we just leave the birthers to their delusional beliefs? In other words why don't
we quit feeding the trolls?
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:54 PM
 
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How many times are you going to post the same story over and over again when it's shown to be a lie?

a report from an anonymous man through Miki Booth (a known birther) to the Post and Efail (a racist birther site).

I've posted the forms.


Prove them wrong by providing the form they used that has those check boxes

(you'll be hard pressed to do so since the form I posted, was the form I got in July of 2010)
 
Old 04-23-2011, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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It is the same form.



Not according to the forms I've provided. You of course can counter this by providing the form that you could request it. Make sure that it was a form that was provided in the last 2 months.

Oh wait, you can't, because you are relying on the made up story of an anonymous man.




they didn't. The form has been teh same since 2005. I've provided proof that its been the same since 2005. You however are relying on the anonymous claim of a man who supposedly stated that hte form contained a "check" box. I lived there for 30+ years, and ordered my COLB no less than 3 times. Never once there was a check box to check anything.



You are relying on the hearsay testimony of an anonymous source's story that was told to Miki Booth (who is a birther) who told it toe the Pest and Efail (which is a known racist, birther site).

I have posted the aCTUAL form and linked to the online version. They match.

ANd when I'm in Hawaii next week, I'll drop by to see if they have changed the form (but I'm not holding my breath that they did)
Hold on there, I was just told that they changed the form in 2001 on this forum. I am simply asking for documentation of that change. I am being told here, that that is when they stopped issuing the long form. I need more proof than someone's testimonial.
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