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Old 04-23-2011, 11:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
Reposting since birthers ignore history:


1966 (microfiche copy of a 1961 record):

1962 :

1963

1969

1979 request for a 1971 record:

1978

1981

1984 request of a 1962 record:

1991

2002 Request of a 1930 record:

2006

2010


Reminder: A state may call their records anything they wish. They can call it "Document" and that is still official as long as it has the required information, and is signed off by the Registrar of the Department of Health.
Thanks for the pics

That short form HI and many other states use now, really is a certified abstract of birth. Now that everything is electronic from the hospital, the S.S. office, the Vital Records, they are connected. Really easy to cross track that stuff today.

But Obama was not born between 1987- 2000's, he was born in 1961.

Obama has on record like that of the 1966 pic at the Vital Records office.
The add'l information on his original in '61 just does not disappear, because they change forms for later births
that are already electronically connected.

The fact that he chose to present one from 2007, simply proves Obama did not have a previous photocopy of his long form birth certificate in his possession.

And that is what Trump/Birthers are asking him to
present. But Obama doesn't have to, if he doesn't
want to

And because of that - folks will continue to believe
there's something fishy. Why Obama wants that
to be that way, because there really isn't much on
your original birth certificate - it's just stating the facts

That just makes me think - what gives?

 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:14 PM
 
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In line with Obama being untrustworthy, to put it nicely, take a look at this.

more world nut daily?

Yeah, that's why you believe in lies.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:18 PM
 
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Very interesting, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove.
what has been repeated above, that a change in a form is not a change in policy.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:18 PM
 
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Please use this form:
Hawai‘i State Department of Health (http://hawaii.gov/health/forms/contactus.html - broken link)

Psst. They are not required to answer every single piece of email that gets to them. Especially emails that have questions that have already been answered

Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 04-23-2011 at 11:42 PM.. Reason: Edited out reference to deleted post
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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"Until then, I will believe the people that have come forward to say they received their long forms until recently."
They provide more than testimonial, they are providing pictures of their private papers......I'm not saying they are authentic....trust but verify. At least they aren't involved in aiding and abbetting organized crime.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Thanks for the pics

That short form HI and many other states use now, really is a certified abstract of birth. Now that everything is electronic from the hospital, the S.S. office, the Vital Records, they are connected. Really easy to cross track that stuff today.

But Obama was not born between 1987- 2000's, he was born in 1961.

Obama has on record like that of the 1966 pic at the Vital Records office.
The add'l information on his original in '61 just does not disappear, because they change forms for later births
that are already electronically connected.

The fact that he chose to present one from 2007, simply proves Obama did not have a previous photocopy of his long form birth certificate in his possession.

And that is what Trump/Birthers are asking him to
present. But Obama doesn't have to, if he doesn't
want to

And because of that - folks will continue to believe
there's something fishy. Why Obama wants that
to be that way, because there really isn't much on
your original birth certificate - it's just stating the facts

That just makes me think - what gives?

Why Obama wants it to be what way?? If you were born in Hawaii was in 1961, and ask the vital records dept for a certified copy of your birth certificate you will get the exact form Obama released. The state does NOT release the copy of the long form, like many states the records are computerized, you don't get the long or short form option.

Its the same here in NY, back in 09 I needed to replace my birth certificate. I contacted the NY Dept of Health Vital Records Section and got a certified copy of my birth certificate. It was a short form, and was a bit different from the original long form, I did not get an option to choose a long form, because similar to Hawaii and many other states when you ask for a state certified copy of your birth certificate, you do not get a long form copy of the original.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
Thanks for the pics

That short form HI and many other states use now, really is a certified abstract of birth. Now that everything is electronic from the hospital, the S.S. office, the Vital Records, they are connected. Really easy to cross track that stuff today.

But Obama was not born between 1987- 2000's, he was born in 1961.
So what? Did you ignore the 2002 request of a 1930 birth record?



Whether you are born in 1930 or 2010 - ALL those born in Hawaii gets the same type of form

Quote:
Obama has on record like that of the 1966 pic at the Vital Records office.
The add'l information on his original in '61 just does not disappear, because they change forms for later births
that are already electronically connected.
As has been told and linked to, the original form is ON FILE and the workers at the DOH have confirmed its there.

They however, CaNNOT provide a copy of it. YOU want a copy, you get the same form as everyone else.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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what has been repeated above, that a change in a form is not a change in policy.
They always issued a short form, if that is what was requested. Showing that in 1991 Certificate of Birth changed to Certification of Birth does indicate a change in policy to me. When did they stop issuing the long form, and under what authority? or was it Cert of Live Birth, I forget what they say now. Do they issue Cert's of Dead Birth?
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
The fact that he chose to present one from 2007, simply proves Obama did not have a previous photocopy of his long form birth certificate in his possession.
So freaking what? He had a passport. If you have a passport, you don't need a BC to travel.
 
Old 04-23-2011, 11:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
And because of that - folks will continue to believe
there's something fishy.?
but the birthers don't end with just the "long-form". even if jesus and donald trump presented the long-form on a silver platter they'd fall back to the "2parent" theory..... or the belief that he became indonesian...... or a massive and complete government conspiracy. none of these would be satisfied by presenting a long-form.
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