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Old 04-24-2011, 07:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
The birth index data? that's that book that has his name
listed.

correct. it's a book from 1961 listing all the birth names for hawaii in alphabetical order. pre-2007 documentation

The newspaper accounts:
The One from Aug. 12, 1961 Sunday Advertiser: Name address, and son - that's it.

are you suggesting that the obamas had a different child then barack?

Same for the Honolulu
Advertiser on Aug 13, 1961 I think Vital Records gives that info to the papers, ...
the paper has stated they received the birth information directly from the DoH.

 
Old 04-24-2011, 07:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Smash255 View Post
A state certified birth certificate verified by the state is ACTUAL and FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Evidence of what?

Proofers want to see of what it is evidence.

State certification of hearsay?
 
Old 04-24-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by claudhopper View Post
Not he alone, more like "they" - he didn't pull this off alone - he's had a lot of help.
here's the partial list of people/entities that would need to be involved. is there anyone that needs to be added or removed from the list? who and why?

the obama conspiracy list

- barack obama II
- barack obama
- stanley ann dunham
- stanley armour dunham
- madelyn dunham
- lolo soetoro
- chiyome fukino
- alvin onaka
- linda lingle
- neil ambercrombie
- loretta fuddy
- staff at the honolulu advertiser ( or someone who altered the microfiche )
- dick cheney
- john mccain
- sarah palin
- hillary clinton
- the social security administration
- all living constitutional scholars
- karl rove
- US state department
- factcheck.org
- snopes.com
- the supreme court
- judge david carter
- judge clay land
- every living judge
- US military


tentatively to be added to list:

-nancy pelosi
- chris mathews
- bill o'reilly
- anderson cooper
- multiple attorneys
- ......more to come.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
I know nothing about what he has spent, or not
spent.

See, I'm not taking about him requesting a copy now.
I just find it unusual that as a State Senator, a child
who traveled abroad, an adult who traveled abroad,
he did not already have a photocopy birth certificate
from an earlier time in his history, in his possession,
stamped and dated.

I'll give you an example. I have an original photocopy birth certificate dated shortly after my birth.
But I also have a photo copy dated from 1980's
when I moved to another state, and left my original
with my mother.

Personally, I think Obama's certificate of live
birth, even with the little info it has on it, would
be as credible, if it had an older date on it.

Now it just looks like: I'll get a copy of my birth certificate
in 2007 before I run for office. Like he never needed,
or used one in the past. I find that very odd.
What is your issue with the date? People were clamoring for a copy, so he ordered one; big deal.

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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
That may be true, but if you traveled like Obama did,
or my husband who was military - it's almost imperative,
you have one. But once you got it, you didn't just
throw it away - you probably put it in a file somewhere,
and it would have a stamped date on it from when you
requested that photocopy when you were 16.

I'm not saying you used it on a regular basis - most
folks don't - Your not whipping it out every other day
I'm just saying when you get it, you
usually keep it.
All this conjecture. I believe it as you who said your husband lost his. Obama had a US passport for travel. He didn't need a bc close at hand. He found it in his mother's things. Maybe it's in a box in someone's garage now.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
Changing a form is not changing a policy. The two are completely DIFFERENT things.
What? You are purposely trying to TWIST the facts to fit your agenda. It should be clear that the form had to be changed BECAUSE the 'policy' was changed!
 
Old 04-24-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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What? You are purposely trying to TWIST the facts to fit your agenda. It should be clear that the form had to be changed BECAUSE the 'policy' was changed!
so you believe that every time there was a format change with the COLB there was a hawaiian health department policy change concerning the release of a COLB?
 
Old 04-24-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Originally Posted by wrecking ball View Post
so you believe that every time there was a format change with the COLB there was a hawaiian health department policy change concerning the release of a COLB?
It was far more than just a 'format' change when HI decided to no longer offer the Long-Form. Clearly it was a change in policy. You are not being realistic in your understanding of the matter, or you are purposely not being honest in your discussions about the matter and attempting to twist things to protect Obama and meet your personal beliefs about the scumbag. All I want is the truth...whereas you are doing your best to protect Obama and convince people there is nothing strange about ALL these numerous issues surrounding the man. Any intelligent person can see what you are doing, and that you're clearly losing that battle!
 
Old 04-24-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: On Top
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Any new evidence that might fry the POTUS......didn't think so.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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so what are you saying the changes in the type of form over the years is part of this vast conspiracy too? that Hawaii changed their regulations and rules to protect the president???

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Originally Posted by highcotton View Post
It was far more than just a 'format' change when HI decided to no longer offer the Long-Form. Clearly it was a change in policy. You are not being realistic in your understanding of the matter, or you are purposely not being honest in your discussions about the matter and attempting to twist things to protect Obama and meet your personal beliefs about the scumbag. All I want is the truth...whereas you are doing your best to protect Obama and convince people there is nothing strange about ALL these numerous issues surrounding the man. Any intelligent person can see what you are doing, and that you're clearly losing that battle!
and you are not twisting things and basing your conspiracy theory largely on personal beliefs? can't you see that your whole theory is based on your BELIEF there is evidence to support you but they won't give it to you.

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Old 04-24-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
What a ho. BTBarnumTrump - he'll say anything because he knows there's a sucker born every minute and he's pandering to the Faux News viewer. I honestly thought he was a bigger man than this.
He's not any bigger than you perceive him to be... read attached quote, above.
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