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Old 04-24-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Its a good thing that Obama isn't a british subject.

But please, tell me where in those qualifications does it say "cannot hold citizenship of another country"

Cause that would have also negated:
Kennedy (he is born of an Irish grandfather, and Irish Citizenship is passed down through the father)
Thomas Jefferson (became a French Citizen prior to becoming President)
Now you're being ridiculous, you have to be smarter than this.

 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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Thomas Jefferson (became a French Citizen prior to becoming President)
The constitution exempted him from that requirement - not so for Obama.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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the part about the definition of natural born being of 2 U.S. citizens or not. It's simply not logical to dispute that.
and you've been told that this is a lie. Not supported by 200 years of jurisprudence.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/18821138-post2500.html
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Now you're being ridiculous, you have to be smarter than this.
I am not being ridiculous. The is quite clear on what you have to be in order to be a president.

Please show us where it says "cannot hold citizenship of another country"

And why did you ignore that Kennedy was an Irish Citizen by birth (through his father - as defined by Irish Citizenship laws), and that Thomas Jefferson was a French Citizen (became one voluntarily) before he was President?

That's two instances in history (past and modern) that would have not qualified under your loose interpretation
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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The constitution exempted him from that requirement - not so for Obama.

Uh no it didn't. Jefferson became a French Citizen after the adoption of the US Constitution.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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Uh no it didn't. Jefferson became a French Citizen after the adoption of the US Constitution.

A general abridgment and digest of ... - Google Books

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According to the usages and understanding of all nations a man may have all the rights of a naturalized citizen or subject in his adopted country, and yet retain all his relations, civil and political, in his native country. For instances, the Marqui La Fayette was naturalized in the United States, but retained every such relation to France. So Mr. Jefferson was naturalized in France and there made a French citizen, and he had gone there would have been entitled to all the rights there of an adopted citizen, but he certainly retained all his relations to the United States, his rights and duties as a native citizen, and was in fact after such naturalization, elected President of the United States.

Jefferson was an Ambassador to France from 1785 - 1789 . During that time he received and was naturalized as a French Citizen, before being elected to POTUS in 1801.

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Old 04-24-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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It's simply not logical to dispute that.
then please point out a single constitutional expert that agrees with your stance.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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then please point out a single constitutional expert that agrees with your stance.
Now you've gone and done it...

Now we'll have to spend the rest of the thread debunking the birther list of constitutional experts instead of debating the substance.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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What is your issue with the date? People were clamoring for a copy, so he ordered one; big deal.

All this conjecture. I believe it as you who said your husband lost his. Obama had a US passport for travel. He didn't need a bc close at hand. He found it in his mother's things. Maybe it's in a box in someone's garage now.
Obama needed a birth certificate to get a passport. He
states in his book he had/saw a birth certificate in High School - needed it to get a S.S. card. So, I would be curious to see a photocopy of his birth certificate stamped from an earlier period of time in his life. I know Obama was not hatched from an egg. Everyone born in the 1960's has a paper trail. I do, you do, my husband does.
And so did Obama before 2007.

And, I've been reading this:

[338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

There is a difference between COLBs issued to those who were born in hospitals with full documentation and those who were given Hawaiian birth status through an affidavit process.
 
Old 04-24-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I am not being ridiculous. The is quite clear on what you have to be in order to be a president.

Please show us where it says "cannot hold citizenship of another country"

And why did you ignore that Kennedy was an Irish Citizen by birth (through his father - as defined by Irish Citizenship laws), and that Thomas Jefferson was a French Citizen (became one voluntarily) before he was President?

That's two instances in history (past and modern) that would have not qualified under your loose interpretation
"under the jurisdiction of" doesn't mean dual countries.

The focus of this thread is our current President, however, I do not believe Jefferson renounced his citizenship. You are playing a trick suggesting that because he lived there, he was a citizen of France. He was minister to France 1784-1789.
My grandfather was Irish, that does not make me Irish. My father was a U.S. citizen, as my mother, and I was born here, making me a natural born.
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