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Don't be obtuse. You really think the grandparents couldn't have planted a birth announcement to aid their daughter in qualifying for benefits?
Please tell us exactly how you believe all this happened. When did Ann Dunham leave Hawaii, her family and friends, for Kenya? Why didn't she tell anybody she was leaving? Where in Kenya was Obama born then? Why would the grandparents commit this fraud when it's not hard to get a child of an American citizen naturalized?
So if you think the grandparents planted a birth announcement (which you seem to), please tell us how exactly you think all this happened.
Is there any evidence that O's mother received benefits? And what difference would a "planted" story make? That is not how you qualify for benefits, that is, by virtue of a birth announcement. Are you now saying Stanley Ann Dunham was not Obama's mother? This gets dumber all the time!
I'll ask you again - since you seem to believe that Obama was born in Kenya, please tell us exactly how you believe all this happened. When did Ann Dunham leave Hawaii, her family and friends, for Kenya? Why didn't she tell anybody she was leaving? Where in Kenya was Obama born then? Why would the grandparents commit all this fraud when it's not hard to get a child of an American citizen naturalized?
I'm starting to get the feeling you're just trying to avoid this question because there's no possible narrative for this that isn't laughable.
I'll ask you again - since you seem to believe that Obama was born in Kenya, please tell us exactly how you believe all this happened. When did Ann Dunham leave Hawaii, her family and friends, for Kenya? Why didn't she tell anybody she was leaving? Where in Kenya was Obama born then? Why would the grandparents commit all this fraud when it's not hard to get a child of an American citizen naturalized?
I'm starting to get the feeling you're just trying to avoid this question because there's no possible narrative for this that isn't laughable.
Obama's past has so many questions surrounding him they just multiply in number. Most people's early history can be documented by records, family members, teachers, professors, etc. Not Obama's!
Obama's past has so many questions surrounding him they just multiply in number. Most people's early history can be documented by records, family members, teachers, professors, etc. Not Obama's!
That is not an answer to the question. Please, DO tell us how this Kenyan birth took place.
That is not an answer to the question. Please, DO tell us how this Kenyan birth took place.
The birfers are the one making the claim. Yet, not surprisingly, when asked to reveal the Kenyan BC they always fail miserably. All attempts have been proven to be frauds. I think that says all you need to know about this group.
"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.
No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."
"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.
"What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."
"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.
Arus, why is it that people have acquired the long form birth certificate from Hawaii for themselves and/or their children, that were born within days of Obama, but he can't do what they did. How come?
Arus, why is it that people have acquired the long form birth certificate from Hawaii for themselves and/or their children, that were born within days of Obama, but he can't do what they did. How come?
The state does NOT issue the long form anymore. If you ask for a state certified copy of your birth certificate you get EXACTLY what Obama provided.
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