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Old 03-18-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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He hasn't changed since his days in congress. Even Hillary pointed out his avoidance of standing on tough issues by voting PRESENT 129 times.

Why would anyone think he would change and become an actual leader.

Probably wishes he oculd still vote PRESENT.
Both you AND Hillary Clinton were flatass WRONG about what a 'Present' vote in the Illinois Senate means. You might be able to be forgiven for not bothering to take the time to look it up. Hillary, on the other hand, had no freaking excuse except that she's a liar, which is why I didn't support her for President over Barack Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/op...th&oref=slogin

"SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON should probably be forgiven [though not by me] for not remembering the course on the state Constitution that she would have had to take as an eighth grader in Illinois. But had she remembered it, she would have known that Senator Barack Obama was not ducking his responsibility in the Illinois Senate when he voted “present” on many issues.

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". . .[A] “present” vote [is] the same as a no [vote]. If a bill receives 29 votes, but the rest of the senators vote “present,” it fails. In the Illinois Senate, there can be strategic reasons for voting “present” rather than simply no. A member might approve the intent of legislation, but not its scope or the way it has been drafted. A “present” vote can send a signal to a bill’s sponsors that the legislator might support an amended version. Voting “present” can also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the subject of the bill."
You will no longer have any excuse to accuse the President of avoiding tough issues.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I ain't defending Obama, I want Turd Blossom back. Two wars, two recessions, trillions in deficits and the best part, owning up to being stupid and bein' proud of it. I'm tired of these so called elitacrats that can remember 3rd grade english.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:16 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Casper with all due respect you might just be the last flea to jump the ship of dawg....

Not me, as I knew this guy was a joke the first day I laid eyes on him, but ever since I see bumper stickers that say people have learned better, the people that voted for the fool. This guy is doomed no matter how much you might like him. Why you would like him is your bee's wax. He is history.

Are you kidding me, i knew he was a freaking joke from day one, when any one talks about a new ERA OF HOPE AND CHANGE so dang much, you know something is up, and it is, because this era of hope and change, sucks big time. The thing is my democratic freinds, can at least admit that he is a mistake.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: mancos
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obama is the Dad I never had. he gave me the inside on my basketball picks this year,taught me about bullying and how cops are stupid. This man is truly a world leader.plus as an extra michele teaches us how to grow cheese burger gardens. relax and enjoy
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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obama is the Dad I never had. he gave me the inside on my basketball picks this year,taught me about bullying and how cops are stupid. This man is truly a world leader.plus as an extra michele teaches us how to grow cheese burger gardens. relax and enjoy
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:50 PM
 
Location: .....
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I defend Obama because in my opinion, and I feel that I should emphasize that since the conservatives on this forum seem content on thinking for everyone else, he has done a remarkably good job with the cards he was dealt. I don't have the time or the patience to explain each and everyone of his policies to you, but I do believe that he has tried to live up to his campaign promises. Healthcare reform is not perfect, but it's a start; the financial reform bill was not perfect, but it's a start; his Race to the Top education program is not perfect, but it's a start. It's refreshing to see a politician tackle issues which others feel are better left in the periphery.

But where Obama has impressed me most is with his foreign policy. He has played the diplomatic and tough guy stance to great effect. Lastly, I defend him b/c he is the type of politician that I would wanna be if I ever entered the political scene: tough skinned, educated, knowledgeable, diplomatic, rational, and stern. You asked for my opinion, and there it is... whether or not you agree with it is irrelevant, it is my opinion.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:55 PM
 
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tough skinned,
I know that is just your opinion but I thought it was kinda funny.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I am most certainly not. But that being said this is still America and it is called freedom of choice, which any one person has a right to defend who it is they see fit. Because i don't does not mean that i am against any one person defending him, i don't that is my right.
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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This nation is far from teetering into the abyss.

Stop worrying and learn to love the 'bam'.
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Even his (reportedly) high IQ score proves 'smart' people can be stupid....
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