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Old 08-05-2014, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Do you have any proof that the person who founded Kwanzaa is a domestic terrorist?
Google Maulana Karenga Symbionese Liberation Army.

 
Old 08-05-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Google Maulana Karenga Symbionese Liberation Army.
I did. And the only things I found were articles written by Ann Coulter. There is no evidence he was part of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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I did. And the only things I found were articles written by Ann Coulter. There is no evidence he was part of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
The FBI says other wise
 
Old 08-05-2014, 06:37 PM
 
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The FBI says other wise
Well, I googled it and i haven't seen much. The FBI also wiretapped Dr. King's phone too. I haven't found any solid evidence of his membership with the SLA.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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Well, I googled it and i haven't seen much. The FBI also wiretapped Dr. King's phone too. I haven't found any solid evidence of his membership with the SLA.
Yeah cant wait for those tapes to be made public....I cant wait to see the white washing.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:29 PM
 
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Yeah cant wait for those tapes to be made public....I cant wait to see the white washing.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Do you have any proof that the person who founded Kwanzaa is a domestic terrorist?
  • Socialist activist and black nationalist
  • Founder of the militant black power organization United Slaves
  • In 1971 was arrested for assaulting and torturing two female members of his organization
  • Professor and chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach
  • Has spoken at the Socialist Scholars Conference
  • Creator of the 'African American' holiday Kwanzaa
Maulana Karenga - Discover the Networks

Makes perfect sense that he, like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, would become a professor. The irony

and

It is my opinion, that one of the reasons it remains believable that Dr. Karenga is a police agent in some circles, is because he has been dishonest about his involvement in the torture of two sisters, for which he served 4 years and his current wife, Tiamoyo served a stint also. I wish to state here, unequivocally, that he and his wife not only tortured these two sisters for a period of over 3 weeks, but also directed two young brothers in the torture also.
http://assata-shakur.blogspot.com/20...letter-by.html

and

But he and his “Slaves” had loftier ambitions. They intended to take over UCLA’s Black Studies department. Unfortunately, the Black Panthers had the same idea, and the two groups clashed on campus, often violently. In 1969, two of Karenga’s followers murdered Black Panthers John Higgins and Al “Bunchy” Carter.

Convicted of Torture
One year later, Karenga would dish out the violence against his fellow black nationalists, this time against his own faithful.

http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.co...ay-by-ben.html

YES, he was a domestic terrorist.

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Old 08-05-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I think the key point that has been glossed over in this thread and in the larger "diversity, or not diversity, that is the question" discussion is that the people either claiming to claim to "hate" diversity or being credited/blamed for being haters don't hate difference so much as they hate BEING FORCED into believing and participating in the entire cult of diversity/multiculturalism which itself is based on skin color more than culture to begin with.

Very rare is the person who is all "speak English or DIE!!" (props to Scott Ian for such poetry), and much more common is the "Okie doke, don't learn English, but don't force me to change my entire way of life to accommodate your desire to not assimilate to the national culture that was here before your immigrated here."

That's where most people labeled haters fall...be whatever/whoever/however you want, but don't force me to buy it, like it, be part of it, whatever.

Do I think kwanzaa is a bunch of fruit loop nonsense invented by a domestic terrorist? Yep. So don't make me "honor it" for something it isn't. Do athesist think my beliefs about Christmas are the same kind of fruit loop nonsense? Probably, but I am not asking an atheist to accept, like or honor my beliefs regarding Christmas. My skin color, religion, gender, sexual preference, etc do not give me license to force others to believe as I do or honor my beliefs as they would their own. Nobody's skin color, religion, gender or sexual preference does. And that is what is opposed. Being forced to honor, change, adapt, etc to people who want their own separate chunk of America bent to their will.

What is going on in America is a more peaceful version of the Middle East. Some distant overlord somewhere has decided to jam different tribes together, ordered them to all get along, and never once has asked anyone in the tribes at large how they feel about it. It is engineered resentment foisted on us by government meddling into affairs that are none of their concern. That is what people "hate" and what they object to.

If I want to be friends with people who look different from me, it should be completely my choice. If I want to be friends with only people who are exactly like me, that too should be my choice. If I want to think Kwanzaa is retarded, that should be my choice. If I want to not associate with gay people, or left handed people, or people who wear too much aftershave....all my choice, or at least should be. It's forcing people to like each other by government mandate...that's what people hate. Diversity and multiculturalism are government ordering the children to be friends even if they don't really like each other or want to. It's forced association, and people generally don't like it.

Thank You, I really appreciate your post. I like your way of thinking, unfortunately not everyone thinks as you do.

Too many people in this big world, expect you to believe as they do, or your shun or are a outcast, and this is ridiculous.

My skin color is white, and that does not make me more special then any one else. But this is also how I was raised. I always had friends in High School, of every culture, and I like that. Of course they were all here legally also.

Forced association of any kind is never a good thing and anything the government forces down our throats, is not good. Cannot force people into being one way, when they are another.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 10:33 PM
 
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Do you have any proof that the person who founded Kwanzaa is a domestic terrorist?
Love or hate her, but she does her research:
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Kwanzaa: The Holiday Brought To You By the FBI
Ann Coulter | Dec 24, 2013

I had hoped to write about "Duck Dynasty" this week, but that will have to wait. I have too much Kwanzaa shopping left to do. (Is it just me, or is Kwanzaa getting way too commercialized?)
Contrary to pundits sniping about Ted Cruz's campaign to repeal Obamacare, even the most boneheaded liberal ideas never "collapse on their own," which is why we still have public schools and President Obama. If nothing is done, Kwanza will join these horrors in the firmament of American life.

It is a fact that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by a black radical FBI stooge, Ron Karenga -- aka Dr. Maulana Karenga -- founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers. He was also a dupe of the FBI.

In what was ultimately a foolish gambit, during the madness of the '60s, the FBI encouraged the most extreme black nationalist organizations in order to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the group, the better.

By that criterion, Karenga's United Slaves was perfect. In the annals of the American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.

Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites. They did not seek armed revolution (although some of their most high-profile leaders were drug dealers and murderers). Those were the precepts of Karenga's United Slaves.

United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, gunning down Black Panthers and adopting invented "African" names. (That was a huge help to the black community: Three of the four suspects recently arrested for the fatal carjacking at the Short Hills, N.J., mall were named Basim, Hanif and Karif.)

It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglika," which he based on the philosophy of Mein Kampf -- and clueless public school teachers began celebrating the made-up, racist holiday.

Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear. Curiously, in a 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites included: "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police Department" and so on. Karenga should know about FBI infiltration. (He further noted that the evidence against O.J. "was not strong enough to prohibit or eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.)

In the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s, Karenga was quick to criticize rumors that black radicals were government-supported. When Nigerian newspapers claimed that some American black radicals were CIA operatives, Karenga publicly denounced the idea, saying, "Africans must stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."

Now we know that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers and United Slaves.

In one barbarous outburst, Karenga's United Slaves shot to death two Black Panthers on the UCLA campus: Al "Bunchy" Carter and John Huggins. Karenga himself served time, a useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at California State University at Long Beach.

Karenga's invented holiday is a nutty blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. The seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another innovation of the Worst Generation.

In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-***-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani -- the exact same seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.

Kwanzaa praises collectivism in every possible area of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal. ("Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch.

When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially said that, under Kawaida, we also hate whites. (Kawaida, Kwanzaa and Kuumba are also the only three Kardashian sisters not to have their own shows on the E! network.)

While taking the "best of early Chinese and Cuban socialism" -- excluding, one hopes, forced abortions, imprisonment of homosexuals and forced labor -- Karenga said Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines life conditions, life chances and self-understanding." There's an inclusive philosophy for you.

Kwanzaa was the result of a '60s psychosis grafted onto the black community. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and Karenga's United Slaves -- the violence, the Marxism, the insanity.

Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa.

Kwanzaa emerged not from Africa, but from the FBI's COINTELPRO. It is a holiday celebrated exclusively by idiot white liberals. Black people celebrate Christmas. (Merry Christmas, fellow Christians!)
And again, I don't care. If people want to follow Ron Karenga's Marxism as a celebration of whatever...good for them, just don't force me to honor or celebrate it. If people want to join me for 3 hours of Mass during the Great Vigil, okie doke, but we shouldn't force anyone to honor or celebrate us if they don't choose to.

That's the point, not whether Kwanzaa was made up by Ron Karenga (which it was). NObody should be forced to accept, honor or celebrate each other if they don't particularly feel like it. That's why people "hate" the diversity thing, because it makes associations compulsory, not voluntary.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 10:42 PM
 
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Love or hate her, but she does her research:

And again, I don't care. If people want to follow Ron Karenga's Marxism as a celebration of whatever...good for them, just don't force me to honor or celebrate it. If people want to join me for 3 hours of Mass during the Great Vigil, okie doke, but we shouldn't force anyone to honor or celebrate us if they don't choose to.

That's the point, not whether Kwanzaa was made up by Ron Karenga (which it was). NObody should be forced to accept, honor or celebrate each other if they don't particularly feel like it. That's why people "hate" the diversity thing, because it makes associations compulsory, not voluntary.
And forced to compromise and secede their rights, liberties, freedoms, and wealth to do so..

Any time your force people to live to together that cant, wont, or just incompatible with each other it always ends with really bad results.
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