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Old 03-28-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Or else be on the receiving end of a bankrupting wrongful death suit.

Juries tend to be sympathetic to surviving parents who have lost a child, especially when that death can be shown to be preventable.
and herein lies one of the biggest issue our school systems will have to face: sue happy parents who will jump at the chance to sue a school if they feel that their precious has been slighted in any way or if they don't otherwise get their way. screw all the other kids who will suffer if the district loses money in a frivolous law suit

IDK, such parents are starting to come off as incredibly selfish. the world does not revolve around your one child!

 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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gotta keep that refrigerated. plus, try getting a kid to eat that every day for lunch. plus, good hummus is pricey, more expensive than PB (and homemade hummus is hard to make if you don't have access to the ingredients)
Then let them eat peanut butter.

But also tell them that it is dangerous for some people, so all us nice little kids have to follow FAAN guidelines so someone doesn't die in the cafeteria.

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Old 03-28-2011, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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gotta keep that refrigerated. plus, try getting a kid to eat that every day for lunch. plus, good hummus is pricey, more expensive than PB (and homemade hummus is hard to make if you don't have access to the ingredients)
Eating hummus is like eating chalk, and it is certainly no substitute for peanut butter.

It is the responsibility of the one with the allergy to take whatever precautions they deem necessary to prevent an allergic reaction. It is NOT the responsibility of those with no allergies to alter their life, in any way, to accommodate those with allergies. Despite what leftist fascist wannabes want you to believe.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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and herein lies one of the biggest issue our school systems will have to face: sue happy parents who will jump at the chance to sue a school if they feel that their precious has been slighted in any way or if they don't otherwise get their way. screw all the other kids who will suffer if the district loses money in a frivolous law suit

IDK, such parents are starting to come off as incredibly selfish. the world does not revolve around your one child!
If a kid died because a school that was aware of his or her allergy and didn't take reasonable precautions under the ADA, and that negligence was part of the cause of death, it's not only not frivolous, but it is a slam dunk case.

With statutory damages.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Despite what leftist fascist wannabes want you to believe.
Oh knock it off with the ridiculous political slurs which have no place in this discussion.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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Eating hummus is like eating chalk, and it is certainly no substitute for peanut butter.

It is the responsibility of the one with the allergy to take whatever precautions they deem necessary to prevent an allergic reaction. It is NOT the responsibility of those with no allergies to alter their life, in any way, to accommodate those with allergies. Despite what leftist fascist wannabes want you to believe.
Another incredibly ignorant and offensive posts.

Hey, let's stop building ramps for all those people in wheelchairs, after all, they're just socialist whiners, right?

Oops, it's a law now.

You'll get over it.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:05 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Thank you for that information. I am glad the levels have reduced. Again I'm sure the smoking rate has to have decreased in England too. However I would like to know this compares with countries that are not industrialised. The fact that our rates have reduced from what they were does not tell me much.
you're welcome.

as to the rates in non-industrialized countries, are you referring to smoking, or pollution in general?


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No. That was not a premise but rather an example of why what I was responding to was hard to answer. It does not imply such a thing. It implies as I'm sure I've explained in another post that it makes it harder to isolate the cause. I know in England we have low infant mortality rates and usually these deaths have documented medical causes. This may be harder to do in a third world country. It would be speculation to say in every case what is causing the deaths.
okay, let's go thru this again.

me: 'try finding a kid in the third world with peanut allergies or asthma.'

you: 'And try finding a third world country with a low infant mortality rate. Maybe then you will see the error in that challenge'

maybe i haven't had enough coffee yet this morning, but the only way i can make sense of your statement is to take it to imply that there are cases of severe allergy in the third world that are going undetected because a] infants are dying of severe allergic reactions, but the cause is attributed to something else, or b] infants with severe allergic reactions are dying [of causes apparently unrelated to allergies] so prematurely that they don't live long enough for anyone to even realize that they have this condition.
what other possible correlation between the apparent absence of severe peanut allergies/high infant mortality rates could apply?

this is an interesting topic to me because this phenomenon seems to have appeared almost out of nowhere, and there is nothing close to a consensus as to what is causing it, despite thousands of studies. how in the world can something so harmless - actually, beneficial to most people - as a peanut protein, cause the immune systems of certain individuals to overreact so horribly that the results can be fatal?
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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Amid Protest, Florida School Stands Behind Tough New Peanut Allergy Regulations - FoxNews.com



My favorite quote:




So what does everyone think? I think this has gone too far. I do feel for this child -- but what happens out in the real world? Is she supposed to phone the stores that she plans on visiting that day and tell them to de-peanut the place? Is she going to grow up and get peanuts outlawed because it's deadly for her? I am all for accommodations to help those in need -- but where is the line drawn?

IMO, this is the type of student that needs home schooling or private tutoring. Not as a punishment to this girl, but teachers did not go school so they can make sure students are washing their hands and desks and rinsing out their mouths.

YET-- is it possible for this girl to wear gloves and a mask to school? Oh wait, that would probably be too embarrassing for this girl...

Thoughts?
When you have a smell, touch and ingest allergy it all matters. It is a elementary school I think the dog was a bit much but everything else is fine and should be done for any allergy as they can be LIFE threatening.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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If a kid died because a school that was aware of his or her allergy and didn't take reasonable precautions under the ADA, and that negligence was part of the cause of death, it's not only not frivolous, but it is a slam dunk case.

With statutory damages.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Oh knock it off with the ridiculous political slurs which have no place in this discussion.
It has a place in this discussion, because ONLY the fascist left are forcing others to change their lives to accommodate others. Nobody else. You will never see this kind of fascism coming from a right-winger. True conservatives are independent and deal with their own problems. It is known as "Personal Responsibility." ONLY the left forces others to accommodate them because they are incapable of grasping the concept of personal responsibility.
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