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Old 12-28-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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Please name me one HSR project that has turned a profit for their investors. Just one. (and before you jump on me, I take a train to work every day)
to me that's like demanding that we name some roads that turned a profit for their investors. transportation is a public good.


i see passenger rail as something the states should do , and i'd pay higher taxes for mass transit here in North Carolina. However, waiting around for the Feds to do something is not smart. This will never get anywhere at the federal level because there is no way in hell you will get any huge high speed rail project through the senate.

Why don't MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA, and MD get together and fund high speed rail at the state level?
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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We could have done that with the stimulus money. China did it with theirs and have something to show for it.

What do we have ? Hike and bike trails, frog crossings and a few bankrupt solar companies.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Please name me one HSR project that has turned a profit for their investors. Just one. (and before you jump on me, I take a train to work every day)
The airline industry is heavily subsidized by taxpayer dollars, much more so than rail. Airports, runways, equipment, technology, salaries are a much greater expense to get a plane off the ground.

HSR runs into issues with land and infratructure, maybe 70 years ago that would have been possible but today it's a huge issue. Government does not want to condemn properties but that is what is needed, imagine putting in a new airport on the east coast.

Relative to efficiency, HSR over air is a no brainer the time will come, hopefully sooner than later because it's the way to go.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:11 PM
 
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I hate flying. I would love there to be a great high speed rail from Seattle all the way to LA with wifi.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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That's why we need HSR. Too bad the airline industry won't allow it to happen.



Survey says: 79% of travelers would pick high speed rail over air travel when possible | Gadling.com

I choose driving over rail or airplanes. the crap at the airport concerning the TSA and other stuff wont change until the airlines start to feel it in the pocketbook. once that happens, the TSA wont be around much longer.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The US once had a great passenger rail system. What passes today (Amtrak) cannot hold a candle to what once was.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I hate flying. I would love there to be a great high speed rail from Seattle all the way to LA with wifi.
That's almost 1,000 miles. It's not practical.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:51 PM
 
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That's almost 1,000 miles. It's not practical.
I mostly have to travel to the Bay Area so that's not so bad. And when you add the time to get to the airport, fly, etc. compared to the misery of flying, crammed in to tin can, high speed rail sounds great.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I mostly have to travel to the Bay Area so that's not so bad. And when you add the time to get to the airport, fly, etc. compared to the misery of flying, crammed in to tin can, high speed rail sounds great.
Even from Seattle to San Francisco would be around 600 miles I believe. At 125 mph without stops (and there would be plenty of stops), that would take 5 hours.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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Even from Seattle to San Francisco would be around 600 miles I believe. At 125 mph without stops (and there would be plenty of stops), that would take 5 hours.
Five hours? Sounds excellent. The flight is a little over two now, plus airport arrival two hours before, etc. five hours sounds excellent. It can't be that good, it would have to be worse than that.
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