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Old 03-28-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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We have had a monorail here for 20+ years. I think 12 people have ridden it so far. Maybe if I ever went where this 'Pubic Transportation' went, I might support it. But, it never has (or will), and neither will I.
What Monorail is that?
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Get it right.Anything the state runs is ultimately a fail.
People good to fight.
Private enterprise good to make policies and run the show.
State sits back and watches the two at work.

So, Mussolini had it right.

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You ever try bringing a load of 2X4's home on the bus?
Is that why you're afraid of public transportation?
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I was pointing out that the Bush tax cuts-which most conservatives wholeheartedly endorse-are a wealth redistribution scheme.

The difference is, they have redistributed wealth from the lower and middle classes to the already rich.
Actually, if you would take the time to research before posting, you'd know that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were across all income levels. And on a percentage basis, the lower incomes gained far more than the higher ones did. And that a far greater number of people were able to get away with paying NO taxes (due to increases in personal exemptions and deductions) than before. But don't let a good myth get ruined by facts if it makes you feel good. You sound like one of them thair religious nuts, but with a different god.
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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To those supporting public transportation, please post a number (lets say 5) major systems that are revenue neutral, that would be without taxpayer subsidies. If that can be done, maybe we can look at what they are doing and see how to expand it to other areas. Otherwise, why would we consider expansion of a program if it continues to be a hole we pour money into? If systems are loosing money, we need to figure out what to do differently with them.
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I was pointing out that the Bush tax cuts-which most conservatives wholeheartedly endorse-are a wealth redistribution scheme.

The difference is, they have redistributed wealth from the lower and middle classes to the already rich.
uhm

HOW were the bush tax cuts/credits a 'wealth distribution ''scheme'''???

the cuts/credits were mostly FOR the poor and middleclass

the 'rich' (any household over 175k) count NOT get the credits


the real question is WHY would ANYBODY be wanting to PAY 30% of your income to the government....its not their money
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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which would you rather....... I live 12 miles from work...........
1) to drivewhen there is no traffic (maybe 2am) it would take me 15 minutes.....but during rush hour it takes me almost 1 hr, I use a tank of gas (14 gallons) a week (at $3/gallon, that's $42 a week or 168 a month)....................
.......
or.....
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2)...to take mass transit I would have to DRIVE 3 miles to the trainstation(belmore), then wait for a train, to get to the terminal (jamaica station) to wait to get picked up the subway (to flushing), then hop on a bus to get to work, and it would take me over 2 and a half hours......and a monthly ticket for the long island railroad is over $300 a month...plus the subway and the bus


that is the problem with mass transit ( its at least twice the time and 4 times the cost) unless you live and work only blocks away
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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uhm

HOW were the bush tax cuts/credits a 'wealth distribution ''scheme'''???

the cuts/credits were mostly FOR the poor and middleclass

the 'rich' (any household over 175k) count NOT get the credits


the real question is WHY would ANYBODY be wanting to PAY 30% of your income to the government....its not their money
Prove it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
To those supporting public transportation, please post a number (lets say 5) major systems that are revenue neutral, that would be without taxpayer subsidies. If that can be done, maybe we can look at what they are doing and see how to expand it to other areas. Otherwise, why would we consider expansion of a program if it continues to be a hole we pour money into? If systems are loosing money, we need to figure out what to do differently with them.
Explain first, how you would define revenue and tax payer subsidies. Then, what do you expect such calculation of revenue neutrality to entail. Please use highway to make for your case (an example of public transportation infrastructure), and I will then do the same for a light rail service.
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Prove it.
prove it???

have you done taxes in the last 10 years???

the taxe CUTS were across the board..and the BIGGEST cuts were in the BOTTOM END...ie the 15% bracket (the poor) now are at a 10% bracket...the rich's cut was from 39% to 36%

want more proof

the credits (child care credit, child credit, education tuition credit, retirement (401K CONTRIBUTION ) credit, the HEALTH COST credit, and the ENERGYWISE (for new windowd, doors, insulation, heater, water heaters ect) CREDIT...were only ALLOWED TO THOSE WITH A HOUSEHOLD INCOME UNDER 179K

I have done my own taxes for the last 30 years


the liberals/media spin of 'tax cuts for the rich'...is a LIE
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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prove it???

have you done taxes in the last 10 years???

the taxe CUTS were across the board..and the BIGGEST cuts were in the BOTTOM END...ie the 15% bracket (the poor) now are at a 10% bracket...the rich's cut was from 39% to 36%

want more proof

the credits (child care credit, child credit, education tuition credit, retirement (401K CONTRIBUTION ) credit, the HEALTH COST credit, and the ENERGYWISE (for new windowd, doors, insulation, heater, water heaters ect) CREDIT...were only ALLOWED TO THOSE WITH A HOUSEHOLD INCOME UNDER 179K

I have done my own taxes for the last 30 years


the liberals/media spin of 'tax cuts for the rich'...is a LIE
I asked for proof, as in real numbers that backs your claim not more of the usual babbling. Got any?
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