Could it be another civil war if a few states secede? (Mexican, illegal)

[All American NYC]

Reasons for the first civil war.

Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery

States versus federal rights.

Since the time of the Revolution, two camps emerged: those arguing for greater states rights and those arguing that the federal government needed to have more control. The first organized government in the US after the American Revolution was under the Articles of Confederation. The thirteen states formed a loose confederation with a very weak federal government.
However, when problems arose, the weakness of this form of government caused the leaders of the time to come together at the Constitutional Convention and create, in secret, the US Constitution. Strong proponents of states rights like Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were not present at this meeting. Many felt that the new constitution ignored the rights of states to continue to act independently. They felt that the states should still have the right to decide if they were willing to accept certain federal acts.

The fight between Slave and Non-Slave States

As America began to expand, first with the lands gained from the Louisiana Purchase and later with the Mexican War, the question of whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free.

Growth of the Abolition Movement.

Increasingly, the northerners became more polarized against slavery. Sympathies began to grow for abolitionists and against slavery and slaveholders.

The election of Abraham Lincoln.

Even though things were already coming to a head, when Lincoln was elected in 1860, South Carolina issued its "Declaration of the Causes of Secession." They believed that Lincoln was anti-slavery and in favor of Northern interests. Before Lincoln was even president, seven states had seceded from the Union

We see a lot of divide in the country, similarly with states rights vs federal.
Example immigration laws. English speaking States vs non English States.

Republican vs Democrat

Gun laws: right to bear arms.

Abraham Lincoln from the Whig party. Similar to today's Tea Party.

Could it be another civil war if a few states secede?

[Moth]

Could it be another civil war if a few states secede?

I do not know if I could be motivated enough to fight to retain Alabama or Hawaii in the Union. I would probably wish them luck.

[Strel]

Another right-wing loonie fantasy thread.

It's not going to happen, despite what anyone may have heard at a KKK meeting.

[oldtimer2]

Lincoln would Puke.

[TnHilltopper]

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF and IF IF IF IF IF IF IF, and a few states secede, then maybe if if if if there will be a civil war.

Just like every cult or whacked out minister who proclaims Jesus is going to return in their lifetime... (which has occurred every year since Jesus was nailed to a cross) and if every mentally ill homeless man walking around with a sign that says.... "The world is going to end tomorrow", the Secessionist movements have also proclaimed "its just around the corner it COULD happen IF"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiE41...eature=related

[AONE]

I doubt any state except Alaska could afford to cut the ties to the Fed. when they can afford to be weened from the Fed teet we can talk.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Could it be another civil war if a few states secede?

Of course.

[kevinm]

Originally Posted by AONE

I doubt any state except Alaska could afford to cut the ties to the Fed. when they can afford to be weened from the Fed teet we can talk.

If a state could void any federal claims to their land (i.e. national parks) and develop it for profit, they would not NEED any federal money.

[Boompa]

Better yet, if they secede can we round them up as illegals?Just more trying to justify treason as a noble cause

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by kevinm

If a state could void any federal claims to their land (i.e. national parks) and develop it for profit, they would not NEED any federal money.

Spoken like a good Ferengi!