U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-24-2011, 07:46 AM
 
9,243 posts, read 7,360,517 times
Reputation: 2200

Advertisements

Reasons for the first civil war.

Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

Quote:
With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery
States versus federal rights.

Quote:
Since the time of the Revolution, two camps emerged: those arguing for greater states rights and those arguing that the federal government needed to have more control. The first organized government in the US after the American Revolution was under the Articles of Confederation. The thirteen states formed a loose confederation with a very weak federal government.
However, when problems arose, the weakness of this form of government caused the leaders of the time to come together at the Constitutional Convention and create, in secret, the US Constitution. Strong proponents of states rights like Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were not present at this meeting. Many felt that the new constitution ignored the rights of states to continue to act independently. They felt that the states should still have the right to decide if they were willing to accept certain federal acts.
The fight between Slave and Non-Slave States

Quote:
As America began to expand, first with the lands gained from the Louisiana Purchase and later with the Mexican War, the question of whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free.

Growth of the Abolition Movement.

Quote:
Increasingly, the northerners became more polarized against slavery. Sympathies began to grow for abolitionists and against slavery and slaveholders.
The election of Abraham Lincoln.


We see a lot of divide in the country, similarly with states rights vs federal.
Example immigration laws. English speaking States vs non English States.

Republican vs Democrat

Gun laws: right to bear arms.

Abraham Lincoln from the Whig party. Similar to today's Tea Party.

Could it be another civil war if a few states secede?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-24-2011, 07:49 AM
 
11,979 posts, read 17,493,843 times
Reputation: 6077
Could it be another civil war if a few states secede?

I do not know if I could be motivated enough to fight to retain Alabama or Hawaii in the Union. I would probably wish them luck.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 07:51 AM
 
7,901 posts, read 8,895,858 times
Reputation: 3192
Another right-wing loonie fantasy thread.

It's not going to happen, despite what anyone may have heard at a KKK meeting.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 07:53 AM
 
1,234 posts, read 1,063,976 times
Reputation: 452
Lincoln would Puke.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 07:54 AM
 
11,127 posts, read 12,678,243 times
Reputation: 3676
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF and IF IF IF IF IF IF IF, and a few states secede, then maybe if if if if there will be a civil war.

Just like every cult or whacked out minister who proclaims Jesus is going to return in their lifetime... (which has occurred every year since Jesus was nailed to a cross) and if every mentally ill homeless man walking around with a sign that says.... "The world is going to end tomorrow", the Secessionist movements have also proclaimed "its just around the corner it COULD happen IF"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiE41...eature=related
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Orlando
8,233 posts, read 11,271,686 times
Reputation: 4064
I doubt any state except Alaska could afford to cut the ties to the Fed. when they can afford to be weened from the Fed teet we can talk.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
20,894 posts, read 13,651,546 times
Reputation: 3949
Quote:
Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
Could it be another civil war if a few states secede?
Of course.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 08:16 AM
 
9,738 posts, read 8,058,811 times
Reputation: 6343
Quote:
Originally Posted by AONE View Post
I doubt any state except Alaska could afford to cut the ties to the Fed. when they can afford to be weened from the Fed teet we can talk.

If a state could void any federal claims to their land (i.e. national parks) and develop it for profit, they would not NEED any federal money.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
16,133 posts, read 20,819,764 times
Reputation: 8293
Better yet, if they secede can we round them up as illegals?Just more trying to justify treason as a noble cause
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-24-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
20,894 posts, read 13,651,546 times
Reputation: 3949
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinm View Post
If a state could void any federal claims to their land (i.e. national parks) and develop it for profit, they would not NEED any federal money.
Spoken like a good Ferengi!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top