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Old 03-25-2011, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Maine
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This doesn't happen in non union states.
Are union states that terrible that they need unions to prevent this ?
And what about Federal laws that came about to prevent that ?
Would union states defy the Fed laws ?

You are living in the past.
Those that don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Ever hear of the Dept. of Labor? Child labor laws? Do you think that someone just pulled those out of their backend? These practices are currently out of date in THIS country largely because of unions. But, let's keep on shelling out big tax breaks to conglomerates that move their manufacturing to countries that allow their people to be misused.
You should really look at government data. Child labor was basically non existent in this country by 1920. This can be verified easily by U.S. Census data. Child labor laws were not enacted until 1938.

As families got wealthier children no longer needed to work. And why did families get wealthier? Capitalism.

Between 1860-1890 manufacturing wages in the U.S. rose 54%. Bewtween 1890-1914 it rose another 37%. This was when less than 3% the workforce was unionized. There was also millions of workers coming form heavily unionized Western Europe to work non-union jobs here. And there were no laws "protecting" workers. Yet wages were rising faster than they are with union and govt "help" Care to explain that?

Same can be said for working long hours. As wages went up in non-union shops and people became wealthier they no longer needed to work more than 40 hours a week.

Every single claim labor unions make, child labor, free weekends, safety, middle class, etc. can easily be proven to be nothing more than lies.

Every advance in the workforce is diirectly the result of the capitalist. It has nothing to do with government or unions.

The unions were started to exclude blacks and Asians from taking jobs form whites. That is the true history of unions. Nothing much has changed.
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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In most cases there are plenty of people that would be happy to take these jobs. The employer should be free to hire them during a strike.
They should be free to keep the new worker on after the strike is over also. And they should be free to fire any worker that goes on strike.

It is total b.s. that someone can go on strike and then get the same job back. The worker does not "own" his job and should nevr be able to make a legal claim to it.
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Try learning something about the history of labor. Start with Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" for an easy read. Then do some real research. The Triangle Shirt Factory fire comes to mind as it's been allover the freakin news recently.
Try looking at actual government statistics and you can easily see the unions are nothing more than liars.

Why, when less than 3% of the workforce was unionized between 1860-1890 did wages (adjusted for inflation) rise 54%? It has never rose that rapidly since the labor movement.

Why was child labor dropping rapidly in the decades before child labor laws were passed?

Why were millions and millions of unionized workers from Western Europe coming to work non-union jobs in the United States? Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

Unions were started to keep blacks and Asians form taking jobs from whites. That what the unions are about. Excluding workers and suppressing wages. That's what they've always been about. That's what they are still about.

I ask again.
Why, when less than 3% of the workforce was unionized between 1860-1890 did wages (adjusted for inflation) rise 54%? It has never rose that rapidly since the labor movement.

I'm waiting for an answer?
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Child labor force participation rates according to the United States Census:

Labor force participation rates in 1880 for 10 to 15 year olds: 32.5%

Labor force participation rates in 1900 for 10 to 15 year olds: 26.1%

Labor force participation rates in 1920 for 10 to 15 year olds: 1.9%

Unions made up less than 3% of the workforce most of these years. There were no federal child labor laws. There were no laws favoring unions and very few "protecting" workers.

And child labor was dropping rapidly. How could this be?

Without minimum wage laws manufacturing wages rose a whopping 54% from 19860-1890. And another 37% from 1890-1914. And child labor rates were going down as wages were going up?????

Must be that as wokers got wealthier they no longer needed the kids to work. And they got wealthier because the capitalists gave them raises and developed advances in technology. Without union or government "help".

There is no longer child labor in the United States because of the capitalist.

The feds didn't outlaw child labor until 1938. Long after the capitalist took care of the problem.
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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Why i the world would we give fedewral aid to those who volunterrly don't wrok a jo they have. Its just robbing people who are not as fortunate of badly needed help;their is only so much to go around. Its there choice.More greed by unions taking what is meant for people who are needy.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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Right!! And then children under the age of twelve can again work 12-16 hours a day in sweat shops. Women can be locked in at their work stations so they can burn to death in fires! Bosses can again harass workers as they have no recourse. That bad old Department of Labor can be shut down!
Some people need to take a look at just why the unions were formed and how they helped to form the middle class here in the U.S.
It's time you joined the 21st century. Most of us know why unions were needed in the past. But, this is not the past. Most unions have grown to be nothing more than power hungry political organizations.

Sorry, if you choose to go on strike don't use my tax dollars to feed you.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:04 PM
 
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Hey union trash, if you want to play dirty we can play dirty too.



US striking union workers to lose Food Stamps: GOP union busting law
Makes sense because they are making the choice to not work when they strike, they are not forced out of work by someone else.

Yeah, makes sense they would get no EBT, FOOD STAMPS and so forth.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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Hey, if you choose not to work, why should the public pay to feed you. This is a VOLUNTARY decision on your part, and does not mean I have to support you.
Yes and its a VOLUNTARY decision on the part of millions of welfare recepients across the country. Yet. You don't say anything about them? Why not?
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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If you are a Union Worker and you are required to strike, you can apply for "foodstamps" as you would would have no income until the strike is settled. This legislation would make it impossible to recieve said "foodstamps". As striking union members do have jobs, (temporarily displaced workers) it is temporary.
Sorry, striking is voluntary. You can cross a picket line of you want to.

So now you want striking union members to go out and get temporary jobs taking them away from those that otherwise would get them. And I bet those temp jobs are not unionized.

I have friends who have done just that and I criticized them for being hypocrites. They were union metal workers. When the went on strike, seemed like every year, they would all work together doing roofing jobs. When I challenged them about taking work away from their fellow union roofing buddies they just laughed.
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