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Old 10-12-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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It appears that alot of people on here hate Unions. So my question is, would you buy a vehicle made by the UAW? Or do you currently own one?
I purchase a vehicle based on my desires, not who made it.

Now if there were two identical vehicles, with identical prices, one made by union workers and one not, I would probably make my decision to buy the one not made by a union worker.

Personally, the idea of being REQUIRED to join a union to work somewhere seems to me to be unpatriotic, because it basically demands that you pay money to someone for the ability to work somewhere. That sounds like extortion and blackmail.
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Old 10-12-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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...by middle class Americans is difficult to understand.

Trade unions represent well-paid middle class workers. And they benefit those workers who aren't members, although not to the same extent. Nearly all of us now enjoy hard-won standards of employment achieved by unions, such as paid holidays, paid vacations, 5 day weeks of 40 hours with overtime pay for work beyond that.

It's easy to see why the wealthy hate them and will use their GOP servants to try to legislate them out of existence. We've already heard tea bag freshmen in congress mention such notions as child labor laws being unconstitutional.

But middle class working folk? They truly must only hate unions because they've been told to. They can have no rational argument against them.

They only call it class war when we fight back

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Many of us believe the proper language is overpaid and benefits far exceeding what other workers get for the work they do.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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I purchase a vehicle based on my desires, not who made it.

Now if there were two identical vehicles, with identical prices, one made by union workers and one not, I would probably make my decision to buy the one not made by a union worker.

Personally, the idea of being REQUIRED to join a union to work somewhere seems to me to be unpatriotic, because it basically demands that you pay money to someone for the ability to work somewhere. That sounds like extortion and blackmail.
It is.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It appears that alot of people on here hate Unions. So my question is, would you buy a vehicle made by the UAW? Or do you currently own one?
I own two vehicles, a Nissan and a Toyota. Both were made in the US, without union labor.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: southern california
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no they are junk.
but unions do far more than make cars. they keep crooked sleazy employers from firing workers 6 months from retirement for being 4 minutes over their break time.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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I drive a Jeep, but I'm the second owner.

I'm not a big fan of public employee unions. I worked in that kind of environment when I lived in California and found that most of the stereotypes were true -- LOTS of ridiculous "rules" (i.e., I ordered a new monitor for my computer and as per union rules, could NOT open the box and plug it into my computer myself, because that was someone else's job) and as a whole, the public entity I worked for was terribly inefficient with taxpayer dollars. I also hate the whole culture of "employees vs. management" -- why does it always have to be a FIGHT? We're "fighting" for better conditions and benefits? ... This was a government 'office job.'
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