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View Poll Results: Is Fred Phillips willfully negligent for burning the Qur'an?
Yes, he should be tried as such by the families of soldiers and civilians who may be harmed. 13 21.67%
No, burning the Qur'an isn't an unreasonable act 38 63.33%
Other (please explain) 9 15.00%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-04-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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So what you're saying is, because radical muslims are worse butchers than, say, the vast majority of Chritians, their wishes must be respected? That the only way to get special "protections" are through violence? Sorry, but you're 180* off. These people are the most vile and deserving of contempt (again, note that I specified Radical Muslims, not Islam as a whole). Burning something they care about and slaughter over is a perfectly reasonable form of protest and a way to show contempt for their actions.
Who said their views are to be respected? I don't give a crap about the nutcases over there. But I don't see exercising a particular freedom at the expense of other people's lives to be a morally appropriate action.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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Who said their views are to be respected? I don't give a crap about the nutcases over there. But I don't see exercising a particular freedom at the expense of other people's lives to be a morally appropriate action.
Are you willing to hold the organizers of the next PRIDE parade liable next time a gay person is harmed by some redneck?
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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So it's HIS fault because he knew muslims were violent and unable to control themselves? Is that right?
It's his fault that he chose a childish, vile, hateful, purposely inciteful, UNnecessary action which accomplished nothing for christianity (but a black eye) and DEAD PEOPLE!

Happy??? Bet you are ...that christian sure showed those Muslims!!!
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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It's his fault that he chose a childish, vile, hateful, purposely inciteful, UNnecessary action which accomplished nothing for christianity (but a black eye) and DEAD PEOPLE!

Happy??? Bet you are ...that christian sure showed those Muslims!!!

You going to answer this?

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Are you willing to hold the organizers of the next PRIDE parade liable next time a gay person is harmed by some redneck?
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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You going to answer this?
Why?


YOU didn't answer my question.


YOUR question is not only off topic but certainly can't be compared to the
"Christian inciting hate and death" issue.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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Who said their views are to be respected? I don't give a crap about the nutcases over there. But I don't see exercising a particular freedom at the expense of other people's lives to be a morally appropriate action.

I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the argument is more about whether he is legally responsible for these deaths, and whether he is protected under the 1st Amendment.

In my opinion, what he did was very offensive and wrong. However, the reaction FAR exceeded the insult. Therefore, he isn't legally responsible.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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Why?


YOU didn't answer my question.


YOUR question is not only off topic but certainly can't be compared to the
"Christian inciting hate and death" issue.

No one "incited death" besides the actual murderers in Afghanistan.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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No one "incited death" besides the actual murderers in Afghanistan.
Christians: dead set against personal responsibility.

Christians: CanNOT explain why buring a book is intelligent, mature, or necessary to "spread the word" of their god....or IS that the word of their god????
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the argument is more about whether he is legally responsible for these deaths, and whether he is protected under the 1st Amendment.

In my opinion, what he did was very offensive and wrong. However, the reaction FAR exceeded the insult. Therefore, he isn't legally responsible.
Actually, quite a few people in this thread have applauded Jones for his childish anti-Christian actions.

And I agree he's not criminally liable. Never argued otherwise.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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Christians: dead set against personal responsibility.

Christians: CanNOT explain why buring a book is intelligent, mature, or necessary to "spread the word" of their god....or IS that the word of their god????

Why are you giving the violent mob a pass? Are they incapable of free will?

If you read my other posts, I said that burning a Quran is NOT intelligent or mature. I also said it doesn't justify violence. And by the way, I am more agnostic than anything.
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