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Old 04-04-2011, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Revelation says in the last days a third of the waters will become wormwood.

Hmmm.
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:36 PM
 
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I think that we will never get the entire story on what the radiation does. Its big business and no one is going to make Japan pay the entire bill for their accidents that hurt us anymore than anyone making BP pay the entire bill they created...You dont hear much about the mess that is still there from the oil spill do you? wonder why. even if children here do develop cancer 20 years from now from the radiation, JAPAN WILL NEVER GET THE BILL.....Besides its the job of the USA taxpayers to always pay for other countries disasters and problems..........Some country giving us money would be out of the question
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:56 PM
 
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Having been trained in medical physics to some extent, I read the data and I think the levels of radioactive isotopes in drinking water, milk, and even rainwater are safe for awhile at 18100% above their arbitrary legal limit. The government mandated levels are much lower because if these higher levels existed persistently, it probably won't be safe. But if the radiation leak is contained within the next few months and there is no further worsening of the conditions at Fukushima (i.e no further large release, such as from a large scale explosion) I think there isn't much to worry about. Just don't drink milk, rainwater, or eat higher order seafood products if you are worried or pregnant. I'm more worried about cesium than iodine due to slow half life. That's the one number I'd watch but so far it is still underwhelming.
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Old 04-05-2011, 12:23 AM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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Besides its the job of the USA taxpayers to always pay for other countries disasters and problems..........Some country giving us money would be out of the question
That is in the process of changing.
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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I wonder what the effect would be on the fetus of a mother exposed to this water or other sources of radiation.
No one knows for sure..I'd wager there is at least slight irreversible damage/mutation to an unborn baby's cells. TEPCO & Japan stated today they are sorry for violating 'nuke dumping laws' and will stop dumping highly radioactive water into the Pacific.. they say short term it should not cause any damage but long term consequences they are unsure of

TEPCO needs to bite the bullet here and take their loss on this by dumping tons of cement and cover this thing for good.



YouTube - 'Catastrophic water dump means Fukushima really out of control'
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:46 PM
 
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Uh....cancer death rates have been going down steadily since the 1990's.

Cancer death rates in the U.S. continue to decline, national report finds - 2011 Press Releases - Dana-Farber Cancer Institute (http://www.dana-farber.org/abo/news/press/2011/cancer-death-rates-in-the-us-continue-to-decline-national-report-finds.html - broken link)

I guess this means that, heaven forbid, someone should contract cancer radiation therapy is out of the question, eh?
You actually have the nerve to roll your eyes at me? Jesus Key Riest.

Apparently plain English AND common sense are just so old fashioned and out of date these days, aye?

READ MY FREAKING LIPS ..... I'm talking about the incidence of cancer ..... do you understand the difference between incidence and death rate from a disease? The reality is that the cancer (incidence) rates have steadily INCREASED, and have reached alarming numbers, and is now occurring in age groups that never experienced these types of diseases in the past, which used to affect primarily the older folks. This incidence rate of all types of cancers have been INCREASING decade after decade, non-stop. So, now that we've established that there is a difference between having a particular disease and dying from it ... let's move on to the claims that the death rates are declining.

I already explained earlier how people can DIE of cancer and still be counted in the group of CURED ..... all one has to do is survive for 5 years .... then you are considered cured ... even if you die later. Do you see how this rather predictable method might affect the legitimacy of the "cured" statistics ? Ever so slightly ?

The facts are, aside from the most aggressive cases which are in the minority ... most cancers don't strike you down like a lightening bolt .. they are generally slow progressive diseases ... which left alone and untreated may not lead to death at all, especially in older individuals who'll likely die from something else before dying from the cancer. In the non-elderly, the majority of cancers that are considered lethal forms, will take several years before causing death. Now if I'm losing you here .. let me explain it this way ... you are very likely to live 5 years after being diagnosed with cancer, even if you refuse traditional cancer treatment. Some data suggest that your longevity is shortened, not extended by the cancer treatment itself, in most of the cases not involving the rare and very aggressive cases of cancer for which treatment may slow the process. Not surprisingly, it is these cases of aggressive cancers that reach stage 4 when cancer specialists often recommend no treatment because of the debilitating effects on the quality of life .... my personal view is that they have been trained to respond this way to protect the phony baloney cure rates .... they realize that with advanced cancers .. the patient is in too weak a condition to tolerate what amounts to a chemical/biological weapon pumped into their bodies, and are likely to die from it before ever completing treatment.

So, tying that back to the fraud alluded to previously about including even the people that died of cancer as part of the "cured group" because they managed to stay alive for 5 years after being diagnosed with cancer, you might be able to then UNDERSTAND the REAL MEANING of the statement "Early detection is the key to curing cancer" ? Do ya get? Do you get the freaking joke pal? No? You don't get? OK ... let me explain that part to you as well. If you get a disease ... any disease that takes ... for the sake of discussion, 7 years to kill you left untreated ... and the ONLY criteria for claiming to have cured the disease consists solely of anyone who survives for 5 years .... every single one of those patients whose 7 year disease is detected in the first year or two are likely to make the cured list ... unless the treatment kills them first. Therefore, the sooner you detect the disease, the higher the cure rate, even if every stinking one of them DIE in year 7. Now do you get it? In short, the cure rate numbers are a total, unadulterated fraud. Hey ... why not just declare cancer cured if the patient survives for a week! Then, you could get an almost 100% cure rate.

OK ... last but not least ... since Richard Nixon declared "War on Cancer" in the 1970's, and over the past 4 decades, Hundred of Billions, if not Trillions of Dollars have been spent on cancer research and treatments ..and given that the Pharmaceutical Companies, American Cancer Society, Cancer Institutes and their "scientists" all over the world, medical centers, and ten's of thousands of oncologists are the primary beneficiaries of those Hundreds of Billions of dollars .... what do you suppose they are going to say about their success treating cancer? Better yet, what do you suppose would be the very last thing that they would say? Let me give you a hint ... they are highly unlikely to say ANY of the following:

1) That cancer rates have skyrocketed since the 1970's, in spite of the "war on cancer" and hundreds of Billions spent on cancer research.

2) That there is not one shred of evidence to prove that traditional cancer treatment has EVER cured ANYONE of cancer ... (precisely because of the fraudulent manner of counting people that died of cancer among those in the cured group, as explained earlier)

3) That even though it is well understood among the most knowledgeable cancer experts that between 80 and 90% of cancers do not respond positively to chemotherapy OR radiotherapy, these are still the routine treatments used ANYWAY. (This could not make any less sense, given the damage these therapies produce as a side effect, unless the name of the game is sickness instead of wellness)

4) That chemotherapy is more often than not, more dangerous than the cancer itself, often useless against the cancer it is used to combat, and is just as likely to kill you as the cancer itself.

5) That radiotherapy virtually assures a re-occurrence of cancer due to the damage it causes to previously healthy cells and DNA, and that patients who have undergone the first stage of traditional cancer treatment -chemotherapy- have a totally destroyed immune system that now provides a very fertile environment for those later cancers to emerge and thrive, as the body's immune system no longer functions well enough to protect it against those cancers. (Almost sounds like there is a hidden agenda behind this ... huh?)

6) That the very last thing the American Cancer Society and the medical establishment as a whole wants to see is the successful prevention and cure of ANY disease, including cancer. Their very existence, and growth as an industry for profit relies on the treatment of disease ... not curing or eliminating it. With that in mind, what might the recipe be for increasing growth and profit of this BUSINESS called medicine? Could it be the same formula that EVERY OTHER BUSINESS has? Increasing their customer base? So, what does medicine say it wants .... it says it's working REAL HARD to reduce the number of it's customers by seeking cures and prevention. (Right ... and Ford and GM want everyone to stop driving automobiles and take the Bus instead.)

7) That you cannot have increasing cure rates at the same time you have increasing incident rates should be obvious, primarily because "curing a disease" leads to reduction and eventual "eradication" of that disease ... that is the very meaning of "Cure". So what do we really see in the numbers? We see increases in the numbers of people with cancer ... while the medical establishment "claims" to be curing more and more cancer everyday. So in spite of their claimed efforts to reduce their customer numbers, their customers are increasing anyway ... just a coincidence, which just so happens to be lucrative and auspicious for the medical establishment! Imagine that!!

8) That external radiation exposure is not healthy, and that introducing radioactive material into the body internally for medical diagnostic or treatment purposes is CRAZY .. not crazy for the medical establishment that reaps rewards for increased numbers of customers ... but crazy for people who would prefer not to be customers at all.

To sum this all up for you, and for others ... and tying this together with the topic under discussion in this thread, the mainstream sources for which a very dumbed down and gullible public relies on for information pertaining to safeguarding their health ... in this case of radiation from Japan and other sources ... the EPA and the FDA and the so-called "experts" ... these sources are the VERY LAST PLACE one is likely to get a shred of truth. In fact ... you are likely to get the exact opposite, and there are hundreds of examples of this already well documented.

That the EPA is now in the process of increasing the "safe levels" of radiation exposure in response to the "tragedy" in Japan, common bloody sense ought to kick in at some point ... but for many people, the denseness of their skulls seems more formidable than a steel reinforced concrete bunker, and the simple act of adding 2 + 2 now requires the assistence of a calculator from radio shack.

But given my desperate need for a good laugh today, I'd really appreciate someone providing me the scientific "explanation" for how a massive release of highly toxic radioactive material into the environment somehow made radiation less dangerous to biological life in just the span of a couple of weeks? Evolution? Adaptation? What?

Come on ... I know you can do it .... just educate me on this rather perplexing matter ... and then you can roll your eyes until you glow in the dark!

Or, face freaking reality as distasteful as it may be ... and realize you are being lied to ... and made sick for the sake of business profits by the very same entities and institutions posing as your health protectors and saviors.

For those that cannot see this rather obvious fraud .... the only doctor you actually need is an ophthalmologist.
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:03 AM
 
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According to United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reports, "radiation monitors continue to confirm that no radiation levels of concern have reached the United States." The EPA has taken steps to increase the level of nationwide monitoring of precipitation, drinking water, and other potential exposure routes, but the levels of radiation detected to date are "hundreds of thousands to millions of times below levels of concern." California Water Service Company: Hot Topics (http://www.calwater.com/hot_topics/2011-radiation.php - broken link)
Right, and an increase in CO2 is going to cause an apocalyptic Mad Max world this is why a lot of people don't trust government and university spokesmouths anymore. The government will ALWAYS downplay a threat because the government does not want massive civil unrest playing out
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:14 AM
 
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Now how much of that does it take to trigger thyroid cancer in an infant? Toddler? An adult? Baby in the womb of a mother? And how about consuming this for months and months, does it buildup to higher levels within the body?
100% of doctors agree that no level of exposure(consumption) is safe for humans. I love how the gov't and media use the word "safe" when referring to consumption of radiated water and food.
Do you really want to know what this situation suggests? It suggests that the New World Order criminals who want to reduce the population by 80% because they consider them to dumb to be left consuming resources, might actually have a valid point to their arguments.

Not that I agree with such a morally bankrupt mentality, but purely from an intellectual perspective, their fundamental case is getting more and more difficult to argue against.

After all, does it not indicate a dangerous flaw in the genetic makeup of those individuals that can be so easily convinced that freaking poison is healthy and good for them? In the minds of purist eugenicists, purging such flaws in the gene pool is ultimately beneficial for the greater good of the human species?

They may be highly immoral ... but they do have a point.

Just sayin'
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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Right, and an increase in CO2 is going to cause an apocalyptic Mad Max world this is why a lot of people don't trust government and university spokesmouths anymore. The government will ALWAYS downplay a threat because the government does not want massive civil unrest playing out
Welcome to Bazaar-o-world .... where plutonium is good for you, and CO2 is a deadly substance that threatens mankind and the future of planet earth.

You really can't make this stuff up ... it's beyond imagination how living, breathing human beings can become so insanely stupid as to believe this "don't worry, be happy" routine as the overlords destroy the economy and the physical health of people, in broad daylight.

In George Orwell's wildest imagination could he have anticipated what we see today ... or he'd have included it in 1984.
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