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Old 04-06-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Privatization has proven to be little more or less than fascism.

That's why appearances are so important.
actually unions are fascism
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Privatization has proven to be little more or less than fascism.

That's why appearances are so important.
Source?

You statement depends upon the watchdogs of how close government intrudes upon private companies and controls the free market.

Here is the accepted definition :

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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Source?

You statement depends upon the watchdogs of how close government intrudes upon private companies and controls the free market.

Here is the accepted definition :

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty
Corruption is the adjusting tool.
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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actually unions are fascism
LOL You have sure picked an enemy that has little to no effect on the big picture.
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The Decline of Union Power

...The changing conditions of the 1980s and 1990s undermined the position of organized labor, which now represented a shrinking share of the work force. While more than one-third of employed people belonged to unions in 1945, union membership fell to 24.1 percent of the U.S. work force in 1979 and to 13.9 percent in 1998....

The Decline of Union Power
Your big enemy is already mortally injured. Why don't you set your sites on the banks, the Fed, Wall Street- you know, those forces that are alive and kicking?

Don't be so easily deflected by media spin. Don't stand for being told who the enemy is. Look into it.

BTW, unions may be all but dead, but without them and what they have done, most in the non-union private sector would not be making the wages and benefits they make. But, OK, kick them out, sure there are negatives to unions, as with every organization, but let's throw the baby out with the bath water- as usual! We need to get rid of every single possibility of having a say or vote on anything that effects us!
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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Prove your allegations. Politicans can be more corrupted within the government process when they are protected by the governemnt process.

Here is the example where private companies are answering to government for their screw up.

Example:

It is happening right now in Mass with those responsible for screwing up the big dig and tunnel tiles falling to kill motorists.


Mass. sues "Big Dig" contractors




What makes you think you won't have any say when private comapanies operate public entities? You still have your local representatives in Congress and local government to supervise operations. I think your paranoia is unwarranted here.

No one is talking about privatizing police and fireman, and other security government services. You see, this is exactly why you people who misunderstand privatization get all jittery and paranoid when you hear this word. You just don't take the time to understand privatization. I would refer you for some education on this to:

www.LP.org
Oh, really? NO ONE is talking about it? Then why is it I can google "privatizing police and firemen" and come up with 121,000 references?

Take your pick:
Google
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Corruption is the adjusting tool.
Are you saying there is no corruption in government alone? No corruption in Private enterprise alone? Of course not. You are pointing toward a utopia and we are dealing in the real world.

Privatization works better than government run programs. Do I really need to point out the failure of government run programs? Surely you are more up to speed than that chore.

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Old 04-06-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Oh, really? NO ONE is talking about it? Then why is it I can google "privatizing police and firemen" and come up with 121,000 references?

Take your pick:
Google
No one here, at least I am not doing it.

My reference is to the LP.org

http://www.lp.org/platform

2.0 Economic Liberty
Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic
success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each
person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of
government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a
legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute
wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.


2.6 Monopolies and Corporations
We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives and other types of companies based on voluntary association. We seek to divest government of all functions that can be provided by non-governmental organizations or private individuals. We oppose government subsidies to business, labor, or any other special interest. Industries should be governed by free markets.

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Old 04-06-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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Are yousaying there is no corruption in government alone? No corruption in Private enteprise alone? Of course not. You are pointing toward a utopia and we are dealing in the real world.

Privatization works better than government run programs. Do I really need to point out the failure of government run programs? Surely you are more up to speed than that chore.
Efficiency and cost of mission can be pretty much measured per the amount of functional independence from Government (and corruption) a contractor is allowed, or at what cost it can be maintained.
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Old 04-06-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh, really? NO ONE is talking about it? Then why is it I can google "privatizing police and firemen" and come up with 121,000 references?

Take your pick:
Google
uhm

no one is REALLy talking about privatizing police or fire...but they are talking about privatizing the SUPPORT SERVICES within the police and fire

why would you pay a cop to sit at a desk, when you can hire a private WORKER to do the secretarial work???
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Old 04-06-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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uhm

no one is REALLy talking about privatizing police or fire...but they are talking about privatizing the SUPPORT SERVICES within the police and fire

why would you pay a cop to sit at a desk, when you can hire a private WORKER to do the secretarial work???
Work specialization does not inherently relate to contract vs hire.
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