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BTW.... There has been a common thread here about the parent/mom. I cannot speak either for or against. I can say that I believe that her handling of THIS situation appears to be wrong, we have nothing to base a suggestion that she has been a bad parent, or hasn't done the right thing. I will say, where is the father? A boy requires what Judge Joe calls, "MAN training". Nothing against women, but touchy feely doesn't work in raising most boys into men, and it requires a stricter hand and sometimes the threat or application of force to get it into the heads of boys as they are growing up. So while we are berating this mom, whom we cannot know for sure based on what we have been handed in the way of information, MY question is, where is the father, and why hasn't HE stepped forward to help raise this boy into a PROPER man?
What safe method do you think they should've used?
It was a stick. Not a 2 x 4.
The PMAB protocol, which is one of many used to manage violent psychiatric patients, provides several techniques for restraining a person without using pepper spray. The protocol has been employed thousands of times by mental health workers for years and years.
I used it with patients age 8-18 having violent outbursts. No injuries. No problems. No pepper spray.
The PMAB protocol, which is one of many used to manage violent psychiatric patients, provides several techniques for restraining a person without using pepper spray. The protocol has been employed thousands of times by mental health workers for years and years.
I used it with patients age 8-18 having violent outbursts. No injuries. No problems. No pepper spray.
For which you were following the protocol of your organization - an organization that specializes in keeping psychiatric patients. I'm pretty sure that you had clauses in your intake agreements (that parents signed) that explained how physical force may be used to restrain the child.
That's nowhere near the same situation as a police officer in a school.
The PMAB protocol, which is one of many used to manage violent psychiatric patients, provides several techniques for restraining a person without using pepper spray. The protocol has been employed thousands of times by mental health workers for years and years.
I used it with patients age 8-18 having violent outbursts. No injuries. No problems. No pepper spray.
I highly doubt an Teacher has been forced to take that training. I'm gonna guess that no one in a school would have taken that.
For which you were following the protocol of your organization - an organization that specializes in keeping psychiatric patients. I'm pretty sure that you had clauses in your intake agreements (that parents signed) that explained how physical force may be used to restrain the child.
That's nowhere near the same situation as a police officer in a school.
No doubt.
Psychiatric emergencies are not an uncommon event for police officers. They should have the proper training to deal with them in more humane way-- especially with an 8 year old.
Are you saying that the pepper spray doesn't represent use of force? The police made a judgement call. They should have had better training which would have provided more tools to deal with the situation.
I'm not sure how clauses in intake agreements are relevant here... Because the police didn't have a signed agreement with the parents, they had license to do what they wanted? Perhaps they could have tazed the 8 year old?
While I agree with what you are saying, I'm not sure how it's relevant.
I highly doubt an Teacher has been forced to take that training. I'm gonna guess that no one in a school would have taken that.
Special education teachers who work with emotionally disturbed children frequently have PMAB or similar training. However many school systems, for legal reasons, don't permit it to be used.
Special education teachers who work with emotionally disturbed children frequently have PMAB or similar training. However many school systems, for legal reasons, don't permit it to be used.
I would expect SE Teachers to go through that since many have that (is it a mutation) strength.
I would have used a taser too and given him a wedgie as well.
It's really too easy to second-guess cops when they are put in these situations. It's a judgment call. They could have used more force than they did.
I'd like to see how Internal Affairs handles it. If the cop didn't depart from protocol, I don't think he should be disciplined.
The kid will get over it.
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