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Old 04-12-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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Well Im pro-life, I don't want to see anybody kill somebody else or somebody kill themselves. I only feel God has the right to take someone, when he feels its thier time. Thats what I believe.

But you said this:
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I think it is wrong unless the mothers life is also at risk. Than she should be able to choose since it could potentially really end her life. Im on the fence about in cases of rape or incest maybe there could be some middle ground found there idk.
Which is it? Ok for a group of strangers to have the right to decide for everyone as long as it is in agreement with your beliefs or only for God to decide.

 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Who said that I'm NOT concerned with ALL people, fetus or otherwise? I don't want any child/adult abused. All people should be free of others violating their property rights. Unwanted children should be taken care of by families and civic organizations.
You still don't get it do you? I will give another example: There are families that have actually DISOWNED their daughters if they kept an biracial baby, so much for family support. What are the "civic organizations" that are going to take care of unwanted children and who funds them? huh let me guess Taxpayers!

It seems to me that many of you anti-abortionist only look at the child from conception until birth and than they cannot provide any real solutions on the care of that child until they reach adulthood
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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The issue is clearly one that should be decided by the individual. The government should play no part.
the moment roe versus wade was completed the federal governement intefered
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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You still don't get it do you? I will give another example: There are families that have actually DISOWNED their daughters if they kept an biracial baby, so much for family support. What are the "civic organizations" that are going to take care of unwanted children and who funds them? huh let me guess Taxpayers!

It seems to me that many of you anti-abortionist only look at the child from conception until birth and than they cannot provide any real solutions on the care of that child until they reach adulthood
Straw man arguments. You have no proof of any of your statements
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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Apparently you have never been raped or talked to someone who has. A woman that has been raped has 8-9 months to be constantly reminded of that terrible day. After the child is born she now has visual reminder of what that attacker looks like. Everytime that woman looks at that child what do you think goes through her mind?

Either you are a cold hearted person or an extremely cluelessly sheltered person who will NEVER understand how another person can feel outside of your own convictions.

Sadly, I would expect your reply to come from a man and the response given by a woman but.....
I dont think that post was in anyway meant to trivialize the situation. The issue was why do anti choice ppl feel abortion is murder but it is ok in that situation (forced) but not if the women were pregnant otherwise (consensual). Is a life not a life. Is the fetus of rape not also human and deserving of the same as one conceived of recreational sex.
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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Straw man arguments. You have no proof of any of your statements
seriously? of course there are families that would disown a child if they came home pregnant, an even greater sin in the mind of some would be to come home pregnant with a biracial child.
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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You still don't get it do you? I will give another example: There are families that have actually DISOWNED their daughters if they kept an biracial baby, so much for family support. What are the "civic organizations" that are going to take care of unwanted children and who funds them? huh let me guess Taxpayers!

It seems to me that many of you anti-abortionist only look at the child from conception until birth and than they cannot provide any real solutions on the care of that child until they reach adulthood
You've jumped to conclusions. I'm not an anti-abortionist. Unwanted babies should be and would be taken care of by private individuals and adoption organizations.
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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The position is referred to as "pro-choice moderates" which I have no problem being classified as. This would be as opposed to "pro-choice absolutists" who believe in abortion on demand up until 40 weeks gestation, or when the baby is born. This is not a widely help position. This stance is perfectly fine in theory, but the morals and logistics are difficult to support. We have very few late-term abortion providers since Dr. Tiller's execution, and it is my opinion that the service be reserved for those in need not want. Late-term abortion accounts for about 1% of abortion performed, that's approximately 1,000 a year.
You can call yourself whatever you like but if you support taking a mother's choice away after the first trimester, you are not pro-choice, maybe moderate, but not pro-choice. Actually, you're probably more of a pro-life moderate. You pro-lifers are always wanting to stick your noses in other peoples business.
 
Old 04-12-2011, 12:57 PM
 
Location: North America
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Unwanted babies should be and would be taken care of by private individuals and adoption organizations.
In a perfect world, maybe. In reality, sadly, not. A lot of the pro-life rhetoric ends at birth.
 
Old 04-12-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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You can call yourself whatever you like but if you support taking a mother's choice away after the first trimester, you are not pro-choice, maybe moderate, but not pro-choice. Actually, you're probably more of a pro-life moderate. You pro-lifers are always wanting to stick your noses in other peoples business.
Nice try, but no sale. If I had to choose a position, it would be pro-choice absolutist as others have already stated here. But as we have a law in position backed by science I don't have to.

By the way, what is your stance, you have carefully avoided revealing that.
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