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You and the others have yet to actually name a single right that is being denied. Can you do that?
What right do I have that the 3% of people claiming to be gay don't? Can you name a single one?
Here's a simple one:
Consider a women business owner in New Hampshire who is married to a man who works for her business. One the the civil rights she gets from her marriage is that she doesn't have to pay unemployment insurance tax on her husband's wages.
Now consider a woman business owner in New Hampshire who is married to a woman who works for her business. No go on that tax break. Despite being married, she has to pay unemployment insurance tax on her wife's wages because homosexuals are banned by law from accessing that civil right.
Here's another one:
Consider an Iowan man who marries a woman from France. One of the civil rights he gets with his civil marriage is that his foreign French wife gets to come and live with him in American (and work here if she wants) under a spousal immigration visa.
Now consider an Iowan man who marries a man from France. No go on being able to live together. His spouse is not allowed to get a spousal immigration visa because homosexuals are banned by law from accessing that civil right.
Here's another:
Consider a male military member from Vermont who marries a women. Two of the civil rights he gets with his civil marriage is that he gets paid more in the form of a family housing allowance and his wife gets to shop at the base commissary.
Now consider a male military member from Vermont who marries a man. No go on those either. He does not get an increased family housing allowance and his husband cannot shop at the base commissary because homosexuals are banned by law from accessing those civil rights.
What's next? You going to sue because a man can't enter the women's restroom? So what? Men and women are different. boo hoo.
No, laws governing that have a legitimate basis: privacy, prevention of bathroom prostitution, obscenity, etc.
Laws outlawing gay marriage do not.
And thanks for the expected logical fallacy argument. I can always count on you for that.
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Honestly...your equal protection whine is getting old. I have the exact same marriage rights as a gay man. No difference. No equal protection violation.
Well get used to it, because it is the central, and very successful argument made in every single gay marriage case now and in the future.
The fact that you do not comprehend the law will have no effect on how the judges rule.
The problem here, Calvinist, is that you are either unwilling or unable to understand how equal protection works.
Again, the lawyers arguing FOR GAY MARRIAGE BANS don't make these arguments.
Is that relevant? Does the law care if you or I are gay?
I know it's tough to actually be given logical reasoning here...but you'll have to stretch your mind a bit.
Yeah, cause then it';s irrelevant for you. It's the same as the ban on interracial marriage. I can't marry him or her unless he/he is of the same race...
Oh this is so undercounted. Go look at Craigslist under the M4M Personal ads and I would not be surprised if more than half of those ads are for married men. Maybe true homosexuals are only about 3-4% but bisexuals have to be around 8-10% on top of that.
There's what? 300 million or so people in this country?
That's about one in 30...maybe 3% of the population. Probably fairly accurate. It's also a good illustration of the fact that we should not reorder society for a group that small.
Considering that only 1% of the populace in the world claims to be a Calvinist, I guess it would be perfectly fine with you to impose the will of the majorities on your belief system.
Got it.
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Oh this is so undercounted. Go look at Craigslist under the M4M Personal ads and I would not be surprised if more than half of those ads are for married men. Maybe true homosexuals are only about 3-4% but bisexuals have to be around 8-10% on top of that.
In fact, I would say that many won't qualify as bisexuals but act to be heterosexuals to meet societal/familial expectations.
Consider a women business owner in New Hampshire who is married to a man who works for her business. One the the civil rights she gets from her marriage is that she doesn't have to pay unemployment insurance tax on her husband's wages.
Now consider a woman business owner in New Hampshire who is married to a woman who works for her business. No go on that tax break. Despite being married, she has to pay unemployment insurance tax on her wife's wages because homosexuals are banned by law from accessing that civil right.
Here's another one:
Consider an Iowan man who marries a woman from France. One of the civil rights he gets with his civil marriage is that his foreign French wife gets to come and live with him in American (and work here if she wants) under a spousal immigration visa.
Now consider an Iowan man who marries a man from France. No go on being able to live together. His spouse is not allowed to get a spousal immigration visa because homosexuals are banned by law from accessing that civil right.
Here's another:
Consider a male military member from Vermont who marries a women. Two of the civil rights he gets with his civil marriage is that he gets paid more in the form of a family housing allowance and his wife gets to shop at the base commissary.
Now consider a male military member from Vermont who marries a man. No go on those either. He does not get an increased family housing allowance and his husband cannot shop at the base commissary because homosexuals are banned by law from accessing those civil rights.
Well duh. They can all just divorce their current spouses and marry someone of the opposite gender and get all those benefits. Clearly they still have the same rights!
Sounds very underinflated. Gays make up anywhere from 2-5% of the population, but when you factor in bisexuals, it's closer to 10% or about 30 million.
And I'm quite certain the statistics on bisexuals is way off, since I think being 100% hetero or 100% homosexual is very uncommon and most people fall somewhere in the middle, even if they will never admit it.
I believe you to be right about the numbers of homosexuals. I believe the numbers to much higher. In regards to heteros, I'm just not so sure of that.
I know, so efficient in the schools and the bastards stole the rainbow
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