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Old 04-21-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I pass by this building on my way home from the office:



That's the culinary union building here in Las Vegas. Judging by the style and appearance of the paint job, it's been there probably since the '60s or so. I see/hear/read the same kind of rhetoric today.

My questions are, what are the unions trying to "win?" Is it a game? A competition? A war? Is there a prize?

I thought unions were supposed to be about "fairness."
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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I pass by this building on my way home from the office:



That's the culinary union building here in Las Vegas. Judging by the style and appearance of the paint job, it's been there probably since the '60s or so. I see/hear/read the same kind of rhetoric today.

My questions are, what are the unions trying to "win?" Is it a game? A competition? A war? Is there a prize?

I thought unions were supposed to be about "fairness."
Excuse me, but is there some sort of inherent UN-fairness about the slogan painted on that building?

Cuz if there is, i don't see it.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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When businesses get together to collude, they call it an illegal monopoly.

When workers get together to collude, they give them a spot in the presidential cabinet, and all sorts of special exemptions.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Excuse me, but is there some sort of inherent UN-fairness about the slogan painted on that building?

Cuz if there is, i don't see it.
There's NOTHING about fairness there. That's kind of my point.

So do you have any answers to my questions? Or are you just going to try and steer the thread away from them some more?
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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DH belongs to United Aerospace Workers, they have that "Solidarity" thing on their publications......
Did the OP have a point?
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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There's NOTHING about fairness there. That's kind of my point.

So do you have any answers to my questions? Or are you just going to try and steer the thread away from them some more?
There is nothing about fairness on the bumper of my car either.

My question is the same...if the union claims to be fair, where is the proof that they're being unfair? And what does the paint job on the building have to do with fairness?

I'm just trying to find out what your point is.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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I suspect the "solidarity" slogans originated around the time Lech Walesa used "Solidarity" to oust the Soviet Union from Poland.

Unions originally were formed as collective bargaining units to give employees more power at the bargaining table when discussion wages, benefits, hours and safety issues. Unions wouldn't exist if there wasn't some sort of power struggle going on between employer and employee, so unions will always employ adversarial imagery and rhetoric ("we will win!) because that's the heart of their appeal.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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DH belongs to United Aerospace Workers, they have that "Solidarity" thing on their publications......
Did the OP have a point?
Not that i can find.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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Not that i can find.
Didnt think so.......
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Old 04-21-2011, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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There is nothing about fairness on the bumper of my car either.

My question is the same...if the union claims to be fair, where is the proof that they're being unfair? And what does the paint job on the building have to do with fairness?

I'm just trying to find out what your point is.
I'll type slowly so you can understand better...

Do we agree that unions claim to be about what's "fair" for the employees? If not, stop reading now, because we have drastically different views of the stated purpose of unions.

If that's the case, what's with all the adversarial language?

Now, specifically - AS STATED IN THE OP - what is the union trying to "win?"

You latched onto one rather insignificant sentence in my post, when the questions I asked were quite clear and to the point. Why did you do that, if not to deflect and change the subject?
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