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Old 04-26-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Oil prices are set on the open market. What's the matter? The right NOW going to whine for MORE government interference or just another sham excuse to blame Obama for something he has no causal relationship with?
This is a double edge sword for Obama. The simple fact is, for Obama to win re-election, he needs people from the lower economic groups to vote. They will vote for him if they vote but they don’t vote with regularity.

He was able to catch their imagination in 2008 and they came out in droves. However, these same people are more likely to be heavily impacted by rising energy prices. The more impact they feel the less enchanted with Obama they will become.

That by itself will keep a good number of his base support home in the next election because these same people are the ones most conditioned to believe the government owes them something.

They will blame government and thus Obama for the pinch they feel when buying gas or paying their electric bills.

It doesn’t even matter if Obama’s policy is the cause of rising gas prices.[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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This is a GREAT idea.

The Sticky Note Campaign hits Georgia Supermarkets.
"How's that Hopey Changey Thing working for you? Gas prices $5. NOBAMA 2012."
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:30 AM
 
Location: NE CT
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If you listen to 0bama, those Chinese made windmills, that we borrowed money from China to purchase, create construction jobs. Too bad that once they are erected those construction jobs go away, and the cost to consumers for electricity will "necessarily skyrocket".

So 0bama raises my taxes, increases our national debt and raises my electric bill.
Last time I looked Windmills didn't power cars or commercial vehicles or even trains.

Wndmills may be a nice gestrue but they aren't the permanent solution to the energy problems in the US. This thread is specifically addressing gasoline and I have never seen a windmmill power a combustion engine.

Perhaps we could all have windmills on top of our homes, and charge our litttle Volts with electric generated by the windmill to go about 40 miles roundtrip from home, before another charge of juice?


Now here is a truck powered by garbage. It is the real Back to the Futuure DeLorean. Watch this video and ask yourself why this technology which is over 100 years old is not widely used today and you will then know how your own government controls your everyday life:

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/ene...r-with-biomass
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:40 AM
 
Location: NE CT
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FYI, a 70% drop in price in five months is not a market driven change. so, in other words, the "oil market" manipulated Bush and the American people to get their way. 'If you don't give us what we want we will artificially drive up the price of gas to hurt you politically AND financially.' could that be what is going on now???

we already know that a new oil lease today will have no affect on supply for years.
What you don't seem to understand is that if the US government announced a coherent energy policy today, even if was 5 years down the road to completion, the price of oil would drop overnight. I have already supplied examples of LNG and how it can be utilized widely in about 1-2 years that would eliminate and replace gasoline combustion engines. Coal gassification would eliminate oil created electrcity. This would leave billions of crude on the market. Production of oil would be scaled back big time and the US could escape the trap of foreign dependence on crude oil.

Wake up. Big oil is in bed with big government and together the control your entire life.

Then there is this technology that has been around for well over 100 years:

Watch: Powering a car with biomass | MNN - Mother Nature Network

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Old 04-26-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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good, someone else that agrees that big oil is creating this price spike to force their terms on ALL of us.

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What you don't seem to understand is that if the US government announced a coherent energy policy today, even if was 5 years down the road to completion, the price of oil would drop overnight. I have already supplied examples of LNG and how it can be utilized widely in about 1-2 years that would eliminate and replace gasoline combustion engines. Coal gassification would eliminate oil created electrcity. This would leave biullions of crude on the market. Production of oil would be scaled back big time and the US could escape the trap of foreign dependence on crude oil.

Wake up. Big oil is in bed with big government and together the control your entire life.

Then there is this technology that has been around for well ober 100 years:

Watch: Powering a car with biomass | MNN - Mother Nature Network
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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higher energy prices are no one's goal.
Au contraire, mon ami.

From 2008:


YouTube - Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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good, someone else that agrees that big oil is creating this price spike to force their terms on ALL of us.
Yes so long as you don't leave out the other half of the equation; Big Governemnt.

Big Oil + Big Government is a tenent of Fascism:


Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

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Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission. Levels of consumption were dictated by the state, and “excess” incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.”
Does anyone hear windfall profits tax in the wind?
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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One can also speculate here that Obama will allow his Big Oil buddies there to raise the price to his announced $7 per gallon during his campaign, and then have them drop the price just by next summer so he can create the illusion he solved the problem of high gas prices so he is the perceived saviour to humanity once again.

Good campaign strategy there boys...Rob the people blind and then turn around and pretend to protect their back so you can be the hero so they blindly support you. Great mafia strategy in the old shakedowns...
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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Oil prices are set on the open market. What's the matter? The right NOW going to whine for MORE government interference or just another sham excuse to blame Obama for something he has no causal relationship with?
High gas prices were a fixture of the 2008 campaign. It's just ironic that suddenly the high gas prices are market driven and not the fault of Bush and "Big Oil". Do you remember Hillarys promise to "take those profits?".

So basically, in order to get elected there were lies about Guantanamo, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, gas prices....I will give credit that at least *some* progress was made on healthcare, but the deal was penned largely by the health care industry.

Just like the Republicans that condoned Bush's reckless spending and foreign entanglements but can't stomache Obama's....I am relatively nauseated by the Democrats that voted for change and got a continuation of Bush's policies....but they are HAPPY with the situation because he has a (D) at the end of his name instead of an (R) and that's about the biggest difference.

You guys don't care about issues. Don't worry though....the independents that voted for Bush III aren't slaves and the first slavo has been fired. 2012 is coming up and Obama has pretty damaged credibility outside of the sheeple core.
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Mexifornia
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High gas prices under Bush=High gas prices are bad because people will struggle to get to their jobs, they'll have to cut back on other areas of spending.

High gas prices under Obama=High gas prices are good because there are less people on the road, less people on the road equal less deaths.
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