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View Poll Results: Do you support repealing the 17th Amendment to the US Constution?
YES 17 34.00%
NO 33 66.00%
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:54 PM
 
Location: You Ta Zhou
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You don't get state representation, when like the House members, they are elected by special interest.
You mean their constituents?
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:06 PM
 
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You don't get state representation, when like the House members, they are elected by special interest.

A State Governor and legislatures, should be sending someone to Capital Hill.
They have no one representing the States interest any longer.

Things have passed in the Senate that would have never passed, had Senators been appointed by a States governments selection, to represent them.

Much cheaper to just buy yourself a Governor than to add the expense of 2 senators on top of that.

Check out Wisconsin. Less than 5 million will get you a ringer.

People really ought to leave the voting to the experts right?

I suppose many on these forums think that only the wealthy qualify.

With both money and intellect, it is possible to have a lot of one without much of the other.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You mean their constituents?

You and I both know, the special interest be it union, or be it big oil, or tree hugging environmentalists, pour money into elections.

States no longer have any say in what happens to them now, with a vote on a Federal bill. They scream after it is passed, now with no way to stop it before it gets that far.

States have lost rights since the 17th amendment.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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You and I both know, the special interest be it union, or be it big oil, or tree hugging environmentalists, pour money into elections.

States no longer have any say in what happens to them now, with a vote on a Federal bill. They scream after it is passed, now with no way to stop it before it gets that far.

States have lost rights since the 17th amendment.
Of course they do, Senators are accountable to the people, just as state legislators are. Your anti-democratic, anti-Constitution views are a relic of a bygone age.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:40 PM
 
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States no longer have any say in what happens to them now, with a vote on a Federal bill. They scream after it is passed, now with no way to stop it before it gets that far.
Last I checked Senators are voted for on a state wide basis. So the argument seems to boil down to this, your would prefer that the state's political elite make the decisions not the people of the state.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:56 PM
 
Location: You Ta Zhou
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You and I both know, the special interest be it union, or be it big oil, or tree hugging environmentalists, pour money into elections.

States no longer have any say in what happens to them now, with a vote on a Federal bill. They scream after it is passed, now with no way to stop it before it gets that far.

States have lost rights since the 17th amendment.
While special interests may be a problem, I don't see how repealing the 17th amendment would help.
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:03 AM
 
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As usual, the geniuses think they've got it all figured out! The reality? CLUELESS.

The 17th Amendment was passed in 1913 ... a very bad year for liberty and justice for all, given that the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment also carries the 1913 vintage.

Aside the fact that the criminals were apparently in charge in 1913, given the other two disasters mentioned, they certainly were not wiser than the founding fathers either. Those drafters of the constitution designed their method of appointment of Senators for a freaking very good reason ... which is why the criminals wanted to change it! And it seems like convincing the American public to support an agenda that is counter to their best interests is as easy as taking candy from a baby.

Let me briefly explain the common sense advantages and disadvantages. The original method ... the appointment of Senators by each State's Legislature (Not appointment by the governor as was said earlier) makes it far more difficult for monied interests to subvert and control an individual Senator who must answer to the Legislature that appointed him, including their power of recall and replacement should the Senator forget who he's working for. This protects the interests of the State and subsequently the people of that state who elect their state legislators.

On the other side, after the 17th amendment was ratified, this opened the door for monied interests to purchase undue influence by buying each candidate through campaign finance contributions ... and more often than not, the Senator with the largest war chest ultimately wins elections, since the American Sheeple are so freaking pathetically ignorant.

With the old method ... monied interests would have to spend a whole lot more in influence purchasing to bribe 50 State legislative bodies, rather than being able to purchase individual Senators.

For example, Texas has 31 Senators and 150 House members that make up the State Legislature. You need not be a genius or a mathematician to understand how much more insulated from corruption an appointed State Senator would be without the avenue presented by election campaign funding that is now an integral part of this corrupted system. Consequently, if those shady money men wanted to control the two Senators from Texas, they'd need to bribe the 181 individuals that appoint those Senators, rather than just the two senators themselves, as they are able to do now, thanks to the 17th Amendment!

Given the 2/3 who said no to the idea of repealing the 17th ... you people are imbeciles who can't see past your own noses, and shouldn't be allowed to vote ... even for your local dog catcher.

PS: For those 7 that voted yes to repeal the 17th ... congratulations ... you too it seems, went to sleep one night and woke up on planet stupid. With almost 75% of those around you that couldn't beat a box of rocks in a game of Checkers ... it's time for the 28% of us to find a new country ... I'm afraid this one is lost, lost, lost.

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Old 04-24-2011, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Again, let us remember that the republican form was deliberately transformed into a democracy - helped in part by the 17th amendment. Making a Senator into a "super representative" defeats the whole checks and balances framework of the USCON. Of course, we've had a socialist democracy since 1935, so it stands to reason that most Americans were carefully indoctrinated to not be aware of American law.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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The 17th Amendment, adopted in 1913 allowed for the direct popular election of US Senators. Before this US Senators were appointed by the state legislature. Many have opposed this over the years on the grounds that it took power away from the states.

I believe that the 17th Amendment should be repealed and instead one US Senator would be appointed by the state governor and the other would be appointed by the state legislature.
Right, what could possibly go wrong?



Afterall, politicians are completely incorruptible and constantly looking out for the best interests of the American people, right?

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Why shouldn't we trust politicians to pick Senators? When have they ever done us wrong?
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Canada uses the same system to pick its Senators that the US used before the 17th Amendment - they're chosen by the provinces in the same fashion that the senators were chosen by the states.

If you don't like direct election of senators than just move to Canada.
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