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Well, I read Justice Black's concurring opinion in Duncan v. Louisiana, a case I've read several times. I must admit I was a bit puzzled why you'd cite this case, because it's all about whether a defendant in a state criminal case is entitled to a jury trial. Black's concurrence has nothing to do with natural born citizenship. If I missed something in his opinion (or anywhere else in that case) please let me know.
Additionally, your argument that another country could pass a law that would bar natural born citizenship is one that would be one of the worst invasions of our sovereignty in our history. Are you really saying that because the UK passed a law concerning who they consider citizens, the effect of that law prevents us from considering somebody as eligible for the presidency?
Under the logic of your argument, Americans with grandfather and great-grandfathers from Italy are barred, since Italy consider those people to be Italian citizens. Under the logic of your argument, no Jews in the US are eligible, since Israel offers citizenship to all Jews in the world. Under the logic of your argument, if Kim Jong Il decreed that from now on, anybody born in the US is a North Korean citizen, then anybody born in the US would be barred from natural born citizen status.
You sure you don't want to rethink your argument before you put it out there that every country in the world has a veto over who we consider eligible for the presidency and vice presidency?
You are missing the point entirely.
US law states that the President must be a Natural Born Citizen. A citizen that has dual citizenship is not a Natural Born Citizen, but a mere Citizen.
if the N. Koreans sent a prospective father over here to father a child by a U.S. mother, that child would have dual citizenship and be barred from being President.
This is not really that hard to understand, but you have to want to understand it first. In other words, if you are not interested in the truth, you won't find it.
i absolutely agree.
the nationality of obama's father was well known before the election. not a single congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor has come forward, either before the election or after, in agreement with the "2 citizen parents" definition of NBC.
the nationality of obama's father was well known before the election. not a single congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor has come forward, either before the election or after, in agreement with the "2 citizen parents" definition of NBC.
these are truths, correct?
I don't know if they are or not. The way the press devours conservatives, it is not surprising. They evicerate conservatives while throwing softballs to liberals.
People may think this is all stupid, and maybe it is, but the courts have created out of whole cloth the concept of standing, so that it is almost impossible to get an issue into court if you haven't been steamrollered by that law already. [/SIZE]
Obama had an Indonesian passport showing him to be an Indonesian prior to returning to the US[
Maybe it is a stretch, but I know that there is far more evil out in the world than good. Look at the way the middle east lives, Constant violence at the hands of one Tyrant after another.
I am watching the Horatio Hornblower series. It shows how Europe was very tyrannical for most of its history.
Freedom, i.e. being a citizen (as opposed to a subject) is a new and fairly unique thing. Tyranny has been the norm for most of human history. The Founders, having seen so much and known such much about tyranny, crafted a Constitution with checks and balances upon checks and balances.
Many have been swept aside. For example, the direct election of US Senators (who originally were representatives of the States, with the House of Reps being representative of the people. Now both are elected by the people, and none appointed by the States, weakening the states compared to U.S. Government. Power, intended to be distriburted and disbursed widely across all branches and levels of government, is concentrating, once again, at the National level, i.e. DC.
The Founders intended that the President be one with no Fealty to any other poltical entity - not dual citizens, not naturalized citizens, but purebred, natural-born citizens. They did this for a reason.
What's next? Can some illegal alien come over here, drop an anchor baby and that child be President with more allegience to Mexico than the US?
Sometimes, I want to chuck it all, give up the fight and let the liberals turn the US. into a weak-kneed hell-hole of malaise. When the US "falls" liberty will fall and tyranny will once-again reign supreme.
I heard today Mao slaughtered more people than any other tyrant in history. It was from Dennis Prager, so I believe it completely. I would have thought it was Stalin, but it is Mao
.
In WWII we were allies with China. Claire Chenault and the Flying Tigers, Doolittle was to fly to China after dropping their bombs. China was a great friend, and then in a few short years it was lead by the greatest mass-murder of all time.
We must preserve our nation as the fount of liberty that it is, and we must never turn our back on the Constitution and the wisdom of the Founders, or we and liberty are doomed
US law states that the President must be a Natural Born Citizen. A citizen that has dual citizenship is not a Natural Born Citizen, but a mere Citizen.
if the N. Koreans sent a prospective father over here to father a child by a U.S. mother, that child would have dual citizenship and be barred from being President.
US law states that the President must be a Natural Born Citizen at the time of birth.
I don't know if they are or not. The way the press devours conservatives, it is not surprising. They evicerate conservatives while throwing softballs to liberals.
People may think this is all stupid, and maybe it is, but the courts have created out of whole cloth the concept of standing, so that it is almost impossible to get an issue into court if you haven't been steamrollered by that law already. [/SIZE]
Obama had an Indonesian passport showing him to be an Indonesian prior to returning to the US[
Maybe it is a stretch, but I know that there is far more evil out in the world than good. Look at the way the middle east lives, Constant violence at the hands of one Tyrant after another.
I am watching the Horatio Hornblower series. It shows how Europe was very tyrannical for most of its history.
Freedom, i.e. being a citizen (as opposed to a subject) is a new and fairly unique thing. Tyranny has been the norm for most of human history. The Founders, having seen so much and known such much about tyranny, crafted a Constitution with checks and balances upon checks and balances.
Many have been swept aside. For example, the direct election of US Senators (who originally were representatives of the States, with the House of Reps being representative of the people. Now both are elected by the people, and none appointed by the States, weakening the states compared to U.S. Government. Power, intended to be distriburted and disbursed widely across all branches and levels of government, is concentrating, once again, at the National level, i.e. DC.
The Founders intended that the President be one with no Fealty to any other poltical entity - not dual citizens, not naturalized citizens, but purebred, natural-born citizens. They did this for a reason.
What's next? Can some illegal alien come over here, drop an anchor baby and that child be President with more allegience to Mexico than the US?
Sometimes, I want to chuck it all, give up the fight and let the liberals turn the US. into a weak-kneed hell-hole of malaise. When the US "falls" liberty will fall and tyranny will once-again reign supreme.
I heard today Mao slaughtered more people than any other tyrant in history. It was from Dennis Prager, so I believe it completely. I would have thought it was Stalin, but it is Mao
.
In WWII we were allies with China. Claire Chenault and the Flying Tigers, Doolittle was to fly to China after dropping their bombs. China was a great friend, and then in a few short years it was lead by the greatest mass-murder of all time.
We must preserve our nation as the fount of liberty that it is, and we must never turn our back on the Constitution and the wisdom of the Founders, or we and liberty are doomed
What he said.
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Originally Posted by wrecking ball
i absolutely agree.
the nationality of obama's father was well known before the election. not a single congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor has come forward, either before the election or after, in agreement with the "2 citizen parents" definition of NBC.
US law states that the President must be a Natural Born Citizen. A citizen that has dual citizenship is not a Natural Born Citizen, but a mere Citizen.
if the N. Koreans sent a prospective father over here to father a child by a U.S. mother, that child would have dual citizenship and be barred from being President.
I'll repeat this - there is not a single current judge, congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor that agrees with that interpretation of the natural born citizen clause.
You're the one missing the point. Citizenship is a right that each country can regulate under its own sovereign laws. For example, a child born in France is not necessarily a French citizen. However, France grants citizenship to children of French citizens, regardless of where they're born.
You're the one here saying that a foreign country's laws determine whether or not somebody is a natural born citizen. Now, you might be ignorant and missing the distinction between a mistaken application of our own laws, and adopting the citizenship laws of other countries as our own. Let me know which one you subscribe to.
Also, did you find the part in Black's concurring opinion in Duncan that supports your interpretation of the natural born citizen clause?
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