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I read an article a while back about this, and the age was relevant according to US statues in effect at the time having to do with citizenship.
In any case, his father was subject to the laws of the UK, which make Obama a dual citizen and that bars "natural born citizen" status. It was the intent that nobody would become Presidient who was not strictly loyal or obliged only to the US.
Wrong. No laws say any such thing. For the most part, the United States doesn't recognize dual citizenship. If you are a citizen of the United States you are a citizen of the United States. If other countries also recognize you as a citizen, that is the business of the other countries. The United States does not dictate the laws of other nations. You are terribly misinformed about US laws.
Once again, it is US Citizenship that matters, but Natural Born Citizenship.
This is not really that hard to understand, but you have to want to understand it first. In other words, if you are not interested in the truth, you won't find it.
There are only two kinds of citizenship in the United States. Naturalized citizens who have to go through a process to become citizens, and those who do not. ALL those who do not have to be naturalized are considered to be Natural-born citizens. It's really not that hard to understand. You have to really stretch to try to assert otherwise.
I think you need to review Duncan v Louisiana and apologize.
i haven't read the entire case but from what i have seen nothing has come close to pertain to NBC. i'm curious to see what the quote is that jeffington is referring to.
We don't, but BHO did as the son of a ciitzen of the British Empire, which according to their law, made the sone of Sr (Jr, or BHO) a British Citizen.
Try hard to grasp that.
And the US government does not care what the governments of other nations do with respect to citizenship. Try hard to understand. It's not difficult. British law....blah blah blah....who cares????? It doesn't matter if Britain recognized Barack Obama as a citizen. Doesn't matter to the United States. Not one whit. He was born an American citizen. Naturally born, on American soil, didn't ever need to be naturalized. There are only two kinds of citizenship in the United States. Those who became citizens. And those who were born citizens. That's it. Try hard to grasp that. You're either one or the other. Both parents weren't Americans? That didn't disqualify earlier Presidents. Dual citizenships? That didn't disqualify earlier Presidents either. And guess what???? From a legal standpoint, the fact that those characteristics didn't disqualify earlier Presidents actually is legal precedent. Try hard to grasp that.
There are only two kinds of citizenship in the United States. Naturalized citizens who have to go through a process to become citizens, and those who do not. ALL those who do not have to be naturalized are considered to be Natural-born citizens. It's really not that hard to understand. You have to really stretch to try to assert otherwise.
Well let's look at some facts.
As the son of a member of the British Empire (Kenya was at that time a British territory), BHO was also a british citizen.
Being born in the US, he was a US Citizen
Later in life he emigrated to Indonexis and was granted citizenship there and issued an Indonesian passport. In fact, before he was given his Offocial US Passport (given to employees and officers of the US who need to travel abroad), he never held any passport except the Indonesian one.
Now, a man, who during his life was a citizen of 3 countries, may be disqualified as a natural born citizen. I am told that one of the Federalist Papers talks about what a Natural Born Citizien is, but I don't have a citation for you.
Howevever, I just say, except for the debate-value, BHO is already President, and nothing can or will be done to change that.
The only possiblity will be if one or more states with significant Electoral College Votes, declares him to be ineligible and declines to put him on the ballot for that state.
It is a long-stretch, but we are talking about saving the USA from certain devestation at the hands of this POTUS, so it is worth a try.
As the son of a member of the British Empire (Kenya was at that time a British territory), BHO was also a british citizen.
Being born in the US, he was a US Citizen
Later in life he emigrated to Indonexis and was granted citizenship there and issued an Indonesian passport. In fact, before he was given his Offocial US Passport (given to employees and officers of the US who need to travel abroad), he never held any passport except the Indonesian one.
Now, a man, who during his life was a citizen of 3 countries, may be disqualified as a natural born citizen. I am told that one of the Federalist Papers talks about what a Natural Born Citizien is, but I don't have a citation for you.
Howevever, I just say, except for the debate-value, BHO is already President, and nothing can or will be done to change that.
The only possiblity will be if one or more states with significant Electoral College Votes, declares him to be ineligible and declines to put him on the ballot for that state.
It is a long-stretch, but we are talking about saving the USA from certain devestation at the hands of this POTUS, so it is worth a try.
The Pilk
I have to tell you, the above is really not factual.
Yes, Obama was born an American and via his father he could have claimed British citizenship as well. There is NO evidence he ever did.
He never had an Indonesian passport because he was never an Indonesian citizen. He was, for a few years, an American child who lived in Indonesia.
Hawaii has repeatedly upheld the validity of his birth certificate. No state can declare Obama ineligible unless they challenge the State of Hawaii's assertion. The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the United States Constitution does not allow such challenges, especially when there are no grounds for such challenges.
And as for "saving the USA", I think that while your sentiments are heartfelt, the fear you have is not warranted. We are not ruled by a President. We are represented by a President. Congress makes laws. Not the President. There is a system of checks and balances. Even if you feel that this President does not represent you, you have a host of other elected representatives. Surely some of them represent your views and opinions and goals.
A foreign citizen can apply to become an Indonesian citizen with the following requirements:
being the age of 18 years or older, or being married obama wasn't
when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years obama wasn't
physically and mentally healthy ????
can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945 ????
never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more obama met this requirement
if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship obama, as a minor, could not renounce his US citizenship
employed or have fixed income obama wasn't
pay the citizenship fee ????
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