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View Poll Results: Does the race of the individuals matters in a crime
The race matters more when the crime involves whites 6 7.50%
The race matters more when the crime involves blacks 20 25.00%
The race doesn't matter at all because races don't cause crimes individuals do 54 67.50%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-28-2011, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I'd agree with that, if only because they have guns and authority. They can really hurt you. A bully with a gun and authority is a very frightening thing, and no, I'm not saying all cops are bullies. Some are, I'd guess that most aren't.

That said, this was an off-duty cop acting as a security guard. I think that changes the game quite a bit. We don't owe security guards the same level of respect as a police officer, and there's no way to tell that a security guard IS a police officer.
Both a police officer and a security guard acting in the bounds of the law are equally due respect. Either way, this guy was assaulted and he protected himself. What difference does it make if he has his uniform on? By your very faulty logic an undercover officer merits less respect for lack of a uniform, notwithstanding the fact that an undercover officer is usually engaged in more hazardous duty (buy and bust drug cases and the like.)
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Old 04-28-2011, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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What happens at IHOP if you don't leave a really good tip?

Maybe IHOP along over to Denny's from now on.

Denny's maybe gonna put up a new sign... Bad Dog, No Doughnuts.
So cops are dogs now?
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Both a police officer and a security guard acting in the bounds of the law are equally due respect. Either way, this guy was assaulted and he protected himself. What difference does it make if he has his uniform on? By your very faulty logic an undercover officer merits less respect for lack of a uniform, notwithstanding the fact that an undercover officer is usually engaged in more hazardous duty (buy and bust drug cases and the like.)
I have a question for you. It's 4 am, you've had a few drinks out with your buddies, you are sitting having a good time. Out of nowhere a guy comes up and grabs you out of the booth. He doesn't say anything, or identify himself. It happens so quickly you don't notice what he is wearing, you only see his face. What would you do?
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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I have a question for you. It's 4 am, you've had a few drinks out with your buddies, you are sitting having a good time. Out of nowhere a guy comes up and grabs you out of the booth. He doesn't say anything, or identify himself. It happens so quickly you don't notice what he is wearing, you only see his face. What would you do?
She did the right thing.

Her instincts are good.

With more training, she will next time grab his gun, or something.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Race has nothing to do with it. The cop was doing his job. No one, not even feminism, should take action.
Maybe you can explain to me, then, why he started attacking the first woman in the first place? And, why he slapped the second woman in the face?

If these things can be justified (and I haven't heard a good reason for them yet) then I agree with you. But from the limited info I've read, he had no reason to go after the first woman. And, could be just an excuse, but the second woman who got slapped and then started hitting the cop, 'says' she didn't even realize he was a cop.

So, if the cop had a good reason to start yanking the woman out of the booth, and maybe if he didn't slap the second woman before she started hitting him, I would be in full agreement with the cop.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I have a question for you. It's 4 am, you've had a few drinks out with your buddies, you are sitting having a good time. Out of nowhere a guy comes up and grabs you out of the booth. He doesn't say anything, or identify himself. It happens so quickly you don't notice what he is wearing, you only see his face. What would you do?
If you're trying to equate your scenario to the one under discussion you're all wet from the get go. The broad who snuck up from behind to interfere with the officer did so knowing he was in a uniform and did so in a brightly lit restaurant.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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If you're trying to equate your scenario to the one under discussion you're all wet from the get go. The broad who snuck up from behind to interfere with the officer did so knowing he was in a uniform and did so in a brightly lit restaurant.
Both the first and second woman say they didn't notice the uniform until later on. Remember, they did not know one another, and were sitting at different tables. I know you won't answer the question. If out of the blue someone grabbed me without saying a word or identifying themselves, I'm pretty sure survival instinct would kick in, and I would fight to free myself. I'd be surprised if anyone would react differently.

Also worth remembering, this was a crowded restaurant, there were many witnesses, and all have similar stories.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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So cops are dogs now?
As much as women are "two-baggers", "harridans" and "broads". And sexists are pigs.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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She did the right thing.

Her instincts are good.

With more training, she will next time grab his gun, or something.
Click! Right up against his forehead!
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Old 04-28-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Maybe you can explain to me, then, why he started attacking the first woman in the first place? And, why he slapped the second woman in the face?

If these things can be justified (and I haven't heard a good reason for them yet) then I agree with you. But from the limited info I've read, he had no reason to go after the first woman. And, could be just an excuse, but the second woman who got slapped and then started hitting the cop, 'says' she didn't even realize he was a cop.

So, if the cop had a good reason to start yanking the woman out of the booth, and maybe if he didn't slap the second woman before she started hitting him, I would be in full agreement with the cop.
I'm sure they deserved it. The cop was an equalist and more cops should be like him. Most cops let women get away with too much. The woman probably assaulted him first and he defended himself.
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