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Old 04-30-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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For all those who did not live through the Carter years, or were too young to remember them, the Obama years are identical.

We had an incompetent, but likeable, president who led the nation to economic despair. Everyone was convinced that the US was finished, as it appeared we would never get over those bad economic times. Further, there was no leader that had any plan to actually lift the nation from despair, compounding feelings of hopelessness. It was like the nation collectively suffered from clinical depression and despair.

For those who appreciate nostalgia, these times are fairly close to the late 1970s. The only thing mssing is disco music and a 55 mph speed limit. McCain was right when he said Obama would be "Jimmy Carter II".
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Old 04-30-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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For all those who did not live through the Carter years, or were too young to remember them, the Obama years are identical.

We had an incompetent, but likeable, president who led the nation to economic despair. Everyone was convinced that the US was finished, as it appeared we would never get over those bad economic times. Further, there was no leader that had any plan to actually lift the nation from despair, compounding feelings of hopelessness. It was like the nation collectively suffered from clinical depression and despair.

For those who appreciate nostalgia, these times are fairly close to the late 1970s. The only thing mssing is disco music and a 55 mph speed limit. McCain was right when he said Obama would be "Jimmy Carter II".
Obama is worse than Carter- Jimmy only lost iran, while Obama is losing nearly the whole middle east.
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Old 04-30-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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Fist of my historically challenged poster. The economy was heading in a bad direction after the horrible years of Nixon and the moral corruption he brought to the office. Our fascination with the Jews and our support for them gave the Saudis the idea to turn off the oil spigots that lead to long gas lines and high oil prices for the times. Just as Bush ran up the debt like no one before him and then handed Obama a stinking pile of crap or a perfect metaphor is after running the bus into a tree at 90 handing the keys to the new driver and blaming him for not getting it moving. but you know you are just throwing out platitudes and nonsense. Red meat for the non thinking.
Been to any klan member rallies lately, sweetie? Obama the loser has been in office for almost 3 years, and the deficits are still huge, and growing in some places.

The time to be able to milk political capital out of "it was Bush's fault!" are OVER.
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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Fist of my historically challenged poster. The economy was heading in a bad direction after the horrible years of Nixon and the moral corruption he brought to the office. Our fascination with the Jews and our support for them gave the Saudis the idea to turn off the oil spigots that lead to long gas lines and high oil prices for the times. Just as Bush ran up the debt like no one before him and then handed Obama a stinking pile of crap or a perfect metaphor is after running the bus into a tree at 90 handing the keys to the new driver and blaming him for not getting it moving. but you know you are just throwing out platitudes and nonsense. Red meat for the non thinking.
the problem you have with your observations is that even though the economy was turning south both at the end of the nixon/ford years, and the bush43 years, carter and obama both had the opportunity to make the needed changes to get the economy moving forward, and neither did that. they both pushed social programs that would either have no effect, or a negative effect on the economy as a whole. interest rates went up during the carter years, as did taxes, and government spending has gone up even more under obama than during the bush43 years.

the big differences between carter and obama are that carter at least wanted america to succeed, and carter was a straight talker. i dont see either from obama.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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So Jimmy Carter was given a whole mess of problems then when he couldn't make them go away instantly, the conservatives bashed him. Thanks for the history lesson.

If history is destined to repeat itself, next we're going to elect someone who is going to spend even more, cut taxes on the wealthy even more and pass on the debt to late generations. Reagan part II.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Been to any klan member rallies lately, sweetie? Obama the loser has been in office for almost 3 years, and the deficits are still huge, and growing in some places.

The time to be able to milk political capital out of "it was Bush's fault!" are OVER.
8 years of creating the problems cannot be undone in 2 years and 3 months (yes thats how long its been since Obama took office, not almost 3 years, it just seems so long because loudmouth conservatives whine more than a 5 year old having a temper tantrum). Not to mention now congress is gridlocked.

Bush and the Republicans had 6 years of NO OPPOSITION to wreck this country. Nothing from Supreme court cronies, nothing from anyone with an ability to think because otherwise they would be anti-American and supporting the terrorists.

Cleanup always takes longer than destruction and this is Bush's mess that we are cleaning up. Bush's wars, the results of Bush's economic policies that led to the bubble bursting. The blame goes where the blame is due.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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You are misinformed, in the 18 months before Carter took office, 4.2 million jobs were created and unemployment had fallen by 1.5%. Inflation was also falling for each of those months. That is not even remotely indicative of an economy on a downhill slide.

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Old 04-30-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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For all those who did not live through the Carter years, or were too young to remember them, the Obama years are identical.

We had an incompetent, but likeable, president who led the nation to economic despair. Everyone was convinced that the US was finished, as it appeared we would never get over those bad economic times. Further, there was no leader that had any plan to actually lift the nation from despair, compounding feelings of hopelessness. It was like the nation collectively suffered from clinical depression and despair.
Because Carter actually talked to the American people in a realistic manner, and Americans don't like that. They didn't like Goldwater for the same reason. Americans like leaders who are cheerleaders and who radiate optimism rather than leaders who realistically talk about the nation's problems, regardless of party.

Obama's sunniness, cheeriness, false optimism, and false hope are more reminiscent of Reagan than they are of Carter.

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For those who appreciate nostalgia, these times are fairly close to the late 1970s. The only thing mssing is disco music and a 55 mph speed limit. McCain was right when he said Obama would be "Jimmy Carter II".
Carter wasn't a good manager, despite having been a former naval officer, but given the circumstances of the time he was president, no president could have done well. If anything, it's much worse today than it was in the Carter years.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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You are misinformed, in the 18 months before Carter took office, 4.2 million jobs were created and unemployment had fallen by 1.5%. Inflation was also falling for each of those months. That is not even remotely close to an economy on a downhill slide.

The misery index fell five points in 1975 and two more in 1976 to a much improved 12.72% when Jimmy took over. It increased less than one percent in 1977 followed by a two percent increase in 1978 before skyrocketing in 1979 and 1980 to well over 21%! He nearly doubled it.

When Dubya came into office the misery index was 7.93% during what liberals claim to be "good times". When Dubya left office, the misery index had declined to 7.73%.

Today it stands at 11.48%. That's a 49% increase in just over two years!

By comparison, at this point in his presidency, Carter had only increased the misery index by 25%. That means Obama sucks twice as bad as Carter.

The United States Misery Index By Year (http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexbymonth.asp - broken link)
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Old 04-30-2011, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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8 years of creating the problems cannot be undone in 2 years and 3 months (yes thats how long its been since Obama took office, not almost 3 years, it just seems so long because loudmouth conservatives whine more than a 5 year old having a temper tantrum). Not to mention now congress is gridlocked.

Bush and the Republicans had 6 years of NO OPPOSITION to wreck this country. Nothing from Supreme court cronies, nothing from anyone with an ability to think because otherwise they would be anti-American and supporting the terrorists.

Cleanup always takes longer than destruction and this is Bush's mess that we are cleaning up. Bush's wars, the results of Bush's economic policies that led to the bubble bursting. The blame goes where the blame is due.
Here we come, the never ending mantra. If you repeat it loud and often enough many will believe the lie.

Do you remember January, 2007 when the democrats took over Congress?

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