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Old 05-02-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Only liberals would think Americans celebrating the death of a terrorist would be comparable to muslims celebrating the death of innocent people killed in the name of Islam.
Try to look at this objectively.

Our perspective is that they are evil and we are good. We are celebrating the death of a terrorist while they dance in the streets over innocent deaths? Really? Now however WRONG they may be, it is their perspective. The people who celebrated the falling of the towers viewed us as evil, for whatever their reasons. They were giggling because they enjoy killing kittens and puppies. They BELIEVE we are evil. Just as we believe they are evil. In that way the situation is comparable--seing it from the other side. Only looking from one direction, no, it is not comparable.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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So in your view Palestinians dancing in the streets after WTC where thousands of civilians were slaughtered is the same thing as someone celebrating the death of our greatest enemy who coincidentally caused those deaths?
I want to take this opportunity, because it doesn't come often, to say: I couldn't agree with you more, coalman.

There were thousands of families shattered after bin Laden's heinous act and people were dancing in the streets celebrating it. We would never do that if, say, we wiped out an entire city or village of civilians in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We celebrated the justice brought to a man who orchestrated the deaths of our friends, colleagues, and family.

To me, that is very different.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I have to admit, I find the celebrating a little weird.

Reminds me of the pictures of the Muslims celebrating after the 9/11 strikes..
You are so right about this. We seem to have descended to the level of those people who celebrated after 9/11.

My main problem with all the celebrations is that the revelers seem to be very young which could mean many things.

It is surely strange that you and I are agreeing, finally.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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If it's good for one side, it's good for both.
I don't want anyone shooting anyone.
What are we doing in the middle east? How about those 100,000 dead Iraqi's?
You can't complain if another side does the same thing that you do.
Do you really think like that? So if someone get's into a fistfight to protect themselves agaisnt a bully, you WANT that guy to get punched in the face? Or do you just not understand how a fight works? In a fight, you uunderstand that the other guy is going to try to hurt you. Your objective is to hurt him first, and badly enough that he can not hurt you, either because of incapacitation or because he's frightened into submission. You don't WANT to get hit.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:38 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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bin Laden was killed for cause, something non-existent with the terror attacks on the US.
Actually, that is not true. Are you aware of the various tomahawk and cruise missles that were sent to afghanistan during the clinton years? Are you aware that they are not as accurate as one might believe? We bomb their (or the wrong) villages, schools and mosques they retaliated (?) with the bombing of the world trade buildings. We blame Bin Laden eventhough initially he said that it was not him that planned it, but we captured the mastermind and have him in Gitmo, we kill Osama they may or may not retaliate (lets hope not)
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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He seemed irrelevant on the world stage at this point anyways. Look at that compound he was living in, 18 foot high walls on the ground and a 14 foot high wall on the third floor balcony so he could go outside without being seen. That doesn't point to a strong confident man, who isn't afraid of whats outside those walls.

He was living his life as a virtual captive in that building, because he knew he was a marked man and he probably had lost all of his "power" in Afghanistan. I doubt even his friends were helping him at this point. They may have tipped the CIA off for all we know.

But he's dead, good. Supposedly he masterminded 9/11 yet we wont ever know that as a complete fact. The hijackers on 9/11 may have planned it between themselves for all we know, and Osama was just a nice face to connect 9/11 to. He did take credit for it but he may have done so for the same reason that Hamas often takes credit for any action in Israel - they think it makes them look good. He is still a slug though and did directly blow up several embassies.


As far as the assassination goes, I think the media is exaggerating how it actually happened. If you notice the media says it was a "firefight", yet there are few if any bullet holes in the walls, and all of the blood has its origins in the beds. He was probably killed in his sleep along with the other people killed. The video's also show a AK 47 neatly resting on a table as though it was never touched, and its right next to a blood soaked bed. Again that points to being shot dead in his sleep.

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Old 05-02-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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Ok - so the world is rid of that scumbag, which is a great thing. And hats off to our military on a well-planned surgical operation based on great intelligence.

But, does anybody find it odd - even creepy - that people are gathering, cheering, flag-waving, and chanting "USA! USA!" because we killed someone?
Seems awfully savage.

If we hate muslim extremists so much, why do we act just like them?
I agree with you.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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In a symbolic gesture, Americans can go to any beach and take their p i s s there. Which would be the same gesture towards what might be a terroristical shrine.

Win/win

But yeah, I somehow don't think the celebrating is genuine. That is, more like something staged. Like, using those old texting addresses collected for the 2008 prezy campaign.

'Never let a good crisis go to waste'
Very well said. Too many of the "revelers" seem to be too young for me.

This morning I heard a man on Fox news say that in NYC the crowds sounded too much like those who celebrated the win over the Soviet Union hockey team by the Americans. That was something for crowds to get "up" about but this one just isn't that, IMO.

I heard too many college students talking about hearing all the ruckus last night, even when being in bed, and having to get out on the street to see what it was all about.

I just can't feel jubilation over this death because he was a human being and one of God's children just as we are.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Did you really expect people to not celebrate?



Not everyone is a pacifist.
I'm not necessarily a pacifist. Just seems...odd...to act just like the people we proclaim to hate. *shrug*
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:47 AM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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Only liberals would think Americans celebrating the death of a terrorist would be comparable to muslims celebrating the death of innocent people killed in the name of Islam.
Like I said, Osama used a woman as a human shield and SHE WAS KILLED! So was Osama's son and three other men.

Officials: Raid dead included woman used as human shield | Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/02/2011 - "In addition to Osama bin Laden, three adult males were killed in the raid," the official said, adding one of them was bin Laden's adult son.
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