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I am sure the whole tv watching world knows how wonderful their lives are
You've never seen Israeli arabs on TV. It's a non-story. They work, go to school, vote, and elect members of the Knesset. No big deal. It's how grownups live.
And today you see Europe championing Jewish rights, issuing holocaust denial crime laws and all kinds of drama. Ideally, they should have allocated a part of France or Germany in the size of Luxembourg to house the displaced people, if the need for justice to the Israelites had arsed them so much
Shoulda coulda woulda. Israel has existed as a functioning democracy for over sixty years. What the Europeans do is irrelevant.
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The Arabs can do whatever they want on Arab land. It's pretty much tampering with their territorial sovereignty. However, a state illegitimately created can never attain legitimacy irrespective of how clean their government runs thanks to billions of dollars of American taxpayer money.
Oh, really? How legitimate is the United States land taken from Indians? Or Arab land stolen from other Arabs? Or Ntive American land stolen from cro-Magnons? Or any of the other countries thoughout the world and throughout history who have absorbed or displaced other populations? Who gets to determine who is deserving and who is not? You?
Israel was formed by the United Nations (NOT the Europeans) as part of the partition of a former British protectorate which was NEVER an independent nation. The Jews took their part and built cities, businesses, airports, schools, hospitals -- in short, a civilized country. The arabs wanted it all, ganged up on the jews, and tried to drive them out. The jews, WITH NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, formed a ragtag army and kicked them the hell out. And did it again. And again. And in all this time, the palestinians -- even having been offered their own state, TWICE -- refused, and went back to suicide bombing and raising their children to hate jews.
To conclude: when it comes to the Poll with which this thread began, I for one would have to answer "Yes" to both choices. No reasonable person -- including myself -- wants to deny the palestinian people a legitimate homeland to live in peace. But arguing that that should involve the dissolution of Israel and the dispersal of its people to the four winds --- AGAIN -- is talking madness.
I agree the whole thing is a mess. Israel was created out of European guilt. But what's unjust and bizarre is that they sought to displace innocent people to satiate their demons of guilt.
This notion seems to be very commonly asserted in these threads.
It's as though somehow the birth of Israel the country is founded solely in the ashes of Auschwitz and that that nothing of consequence happened in the region prior to 1948.
To the degree that the events of the holocaust era have a role in the creation of Israel they were not foundational.
They was like icing on the cake.
Israel the modern country was created in the vacuum left in the abdication of authority by the British. As to the swarming flood, the hundreds of millions of indigenous grandmothers with keys around their necks, who ended up displaced...
Why do you guys keep arguing. We should all be convinced by now that Palestinians are the scum of the earth and deserve less humane treatment than cattle on their way to slaughter.
The pro-Israel people shouldn't worry. Why argue? Nothing will change. Israel has the world's most powerful nation on its side. The Palestinians will live their lives under Israel's boot, which, every once in a while, mashes down harshly.
One solution is to wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth. Maybe god wants it that way for his chosen people.
Why do you guys keep arguing. We should all be convinced by now that Palestinians are the scum of the earth and deserve less humane treatment than cattle on their way to slaughter.
The pro-Israel people shouldn't worry. Why argue? Nothing will change. Israel has the world's most powerful nation on its side. The Palestinians will live their lives under Israel's boot, which, every once in a while, mashes down harshly.
One solution is to wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth. Maybe god wants it that way for his chosen people.
Hmm. A more reasonable alternative might be
1. Have the Palestinians accept a two-state solution, with a country comprising Gaza, part of the west AND east banks, as much of the Sinai as the new government of Egypt might be willing to offer.
2. Require the Israelis to halt all new settlements immediately, and to guarantee free and full Muslim access to holy sites in Jeruslaem in perpetuity, in return for the Palestinians dropping their right-of-return claims, diplomatic recognition by all Arab states, and an end to attacks on Israel from their territories.
3. Institute a new American policy requiring that US aid to Israel be matched dollar-for-dollar by US aid to the new Palestinian state.
Opposition to an agreement of this type will always come from Israelis with imperialist aims, or Arabs who are simply interested in eliminating the jews. Reasonable people on both sides, I think, would find it appealing -- IF they are truly interested in peace.
Yes, the German, Polish, and other European Jews should have returned to their homes. They weren't any more Jewish than I am Irish.
If you had a clue or any facts or thoughtfulness, you'd know that there were pogroms and mass attacks against jews who did try to return to their homes in poland. And who in their right mind would want to return to live amongst the populace of a country who just spent almost 10 years trying to slaughter them?
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And Arafat didn't represent everyone, and why should the Palestinians have to concede? Its their land.
Yes he did, as the UN officially and formally recognized the PLO as the official representative of the palestinian people.
Why do you guys keep arguing. We should all be convinced by now that Palestinians are the scum of the earth and deserve less humane treatment than cattle on their way to slaughter.
The pro-Israel people shouldn't worry. Why argue? Nothing will change. Israel has the world's most powerful nation on its side. The Palestinians will live their lives under Israel's boot, which, every once in a while, mashes down harshly.
One solution is to wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth. Maybe god wants it that way for his chosen people.
How does that compare to illegal transplants from Europe
The clueless internet teens here are hilarious..."illegal transplants". Just hilarious - but sad how abjectly clueless people are today, especially when it is so easy to learn the truth, simply by doing some basic research.
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But what's unjust and bizarre is that they sought to displace innocent people to satiate their demons of guilt.
Yes, "displace" some "innocent" people. What country did those people belong to? And how were they innocent, when they were murdering jews by the truckload, in pogroms such as the 1936 Jerusalem riots?
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The Arabs can do whatever they want on Arab land.
Glad to see the pure racism displayed so clearly. "Arab" land...is there christian land somewhere? How about "hindu" land? Does that mean all non-arab muslims have to leave "arab" land - or live as slaves there?
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However, a state illegitimately created can never attain legitimacy
I see, so the vote by the organization that created israel was somehow "illegal," you know, by that "illegal" organization called the UNITED NATIONS.
If you had a clue or any facts or thoughtfulness, you'd know that there were pogroms and mass attacks against jews who did try to return to their homes in poland. And who in their right mind would want to return to live amongst the populace of a country who just spent almost 10 years trying to slaughter them?
When did Poles slaughter Jews? What books are you learning from?
The owners of Palestine were the Palestinians, and it was taken without their will and given to Jewish people.
You've claimed multiple times that the arabs somehow owned every inch of the land between the Jordan river and the mediterranean; do you have proof of such a laughably nonsensical claim?
Do you think by repeating the same crap it will somehow earn its truth stripes?
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Look, I have no problem with Israel,
Obviously you do, since you believe the whole country is "illegal" and the land on which it was formed was somehow magically "stolen", both claims of which are nonsense.
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