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They have their reparations. They live in a free country and are free to take personal responsibility and use their smarts to excel, just like anyone else of any race that works their way out of poverty.
Get specific, because I know people who deserve it.
You want to call a form of punishment: Fine. Are any of those people who were punished still alive? Again NO.
You want to be compensated for something that ended nearly 150 years ago, then sue the families descendents and see how far that gets you. Or sue the company that owned the ships theat brought them here. Or sue the other tribes in Africa that captured them. but don't expect the current gov't or its current citizens to pay for something they never had a part in.
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Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
I didn't write this oppressive government did. And no, African people need nothing from y'all, reparations was something promised from the government that they knew they could not go through with it because African people's spirits weren't broken. Hence Jim Crow and the establishment, maintainence and refinement of white supremacy. You can deny this all you want to but the truth is being exposed.
Also Africans did not sell other Africans it was the mulattoes or half-fricans who did so, perfected by the Portuguese. Denial is the first step to acceptance.
I didn't write this oppressive government did. And no, African people need nothing from y'all, reparations was something promised from the government that they knew they could not go through with it because African people's spirits weren't broken. Hence Jim Crow and the establishment, maintainence and refinement of white supremacy. You can deny this all you want to but the truth is being exposed.
Also Africans did not sell other Africans it was the mulattoes or half-fricans who did so, perfected by the Portuguese. Denial is the first step to acceptance.
The problem here is your perception of the Amendment. It was added nearly THREE YEARS after the Emancipation Proclamation (1/1/1863) on December 18th, 1865. It was not retroactive to before the end of the civil war. Again no reperations are due since slavery did not exist after the Amendment was added.
There isn't a single person alive today who was involved. Why should we have to pay for crimes committed over 150 years ago?
This is the real point. The victums (not just Jews) of the Nazi's recieved reperations, but not all six to twelve million. Only there was someone alive to get them. Their children did not get reperations if they were not there. Their grandchildren could not stake a claim. Simply that every single slave is dead and gone means reperations are a dead issue. International law is the standard and it does not grant payback generations later or everyone would be owed something or owe or both.
Also Africans did not sell other Africans it was the mulattoes or half-fricans who did so, perfected by the Portuguese. Denial is the first step to acceptance.
You need to read a little more history and get your facts straight.
Um...if we're talking reparations, can I register claims for Loyalists here?
Or even just Black Loyalists?
If limited to involuntary labor, do we track down the decendents of those europeans and Irish and English kidnapped off the street and shipped off to labor in early America under indenture? This was a trade just as organized as the slave trade and led to slavery. Don't these people get to pass on their descendents what would have to be inherited reperations?
Or the children used in the mines virtually as slaves, who were not black either. Or the survivors of the early factory system where they were used not as people but part of the machine who if they died in a fire or accident were easily replace? Where do we draw the line?
That is why if you demand 'reparations' they apply only to the survivors of forced slavery. This does not include families of non-survivors either. There were 300 US soldiers, prisoners of war, who were 'selected' in 1945 as 'looking jewish' or trouble makers or Catholic, and shipped to a satalite camp where they were forced into slave labor, blasting and clearing tunnels in what was to be a secret facility related to pietamundi. In three months, from starvation, dust in the lungs, execution, escape, or the trek as they were evacuated out as US troops approached, almost half were dead. The rest would have been if it had been much longer. Due to politics this was covered up, as it related the the 'Good German scientists' building our bomb. After YEARS of work to recognize that they too deserved to be given what other victums of the Nazi system got, they recieved both an acknowlegement of their experiences, and reperations from the German government only a few years ago. But ONLY those who were alive at the time they were given recieved repriations. Widows and families of the dead, during the imprisonment and enslavement, or after did not recieve money. This is the basis of how international law is set. The families of those with no money were none the less gratified that a decades old coverup was blown away, and that official recognition to the act is part of history again.
The descendents of these other things have to settle for the recognition as history. Maybe we should quit looking at skin color and acknowledge that we as a species have often violated other human beings, and instead of fighting over who had it worse, acknowledge all of them and work towards stopping its modern versions as a priority.
It would be a good thing to acknowledge all those who shared in the genesis of American slavery for a start. Those white poor and undesirables who got shipped in first under indenture are frequently qualified as 'not so bad' but then, for at least a century, the chances of surviving until freedom were less than half and in some cases worse. Lets take the color out of it and see people, be they kids off the street kidnapped to die laboring in surgar plantations or the black labor which came later. We need to really STUDY the past and how class was just as powerful a dividing line as race became, and understand how things we see now as detestable came about.
The end would not have happened without the beginning. Those who don't learn about history, and see how minds worked in a time, are ripe for being snagged by those with agendas as the loud chorus which repeats what its told is true. Slavery was bad and so was what came before and if we don't learn to see that they are slightly different reflectiosn of the same mindset, we cannot ever let it become past.
I'm not the one complaining about America, I love this country. Plus I am not looking for reparations for anything. I don't want to go back to Germany or Ireland where most of my ancestors came from in fact I would thank them for leaving and coming here if I could talk to them but they are dead.
Guess it's too difficult for you to grasp that your ancestors left and came on their own free will to establish a better life while other people's ancestors were brought against their will and enslaved for generations. If the history of this nation is so problematic for you, the perhaps Germany or Ireland would be a better choice for you.
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