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Old 05-19-2011, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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It's becoming obvious that our nation is too diverse for a centralized government we have now. Simply we shouldn't have a government where the democratic socialist views of Bernie Sanders should have an impact on Alabama, likewise, the anti-gay marriage views of a Senator from the south shouldn't have an impact on California, or Massachusetts via the federal government. I simply think America is too big and too diverse to have such a centralized government.
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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It's becoming obvious that our nation is too diverse for a centralized government we have now. Simply we shouldn't have a government where the democratic socialist views of Bernie Sanders should have an impact on Alabama, likewise, the anti-gay marriage views of a Senator from the south shouldn't have an impact on California, or Massachusetts via the federal government. I simply think America is too big and too diverse to have such a centralized government.
Tried that once, it didn't work. We need a strong centralized government to regulate interstate commerce, and with the ability to tax to make war when needed, and to protect the general welfare of the nation.
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It's becoming obvious that our nation is too diverse for a centralized government we have now. Simply we shouldn't have a government where the democratic socialist views of Bernie Sanders should have an impact on Alabama, likewise, the anti-gay marriage views of a Senator from the south shouldn't have an impact on California, or Massachusetts via the federal government. I simply think America is too big and too diverse to have such a centralized government.
So, you don't like the US Constitution anymore?
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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Tried that once, it didn't work. We need a strong centralized government to regulate interstate commerce, and with the ability to tax to make war when needed, and to protect the general welfare of the nation.
Try twice - before the Constitution and then during the Civil War. In both cases, the results were disastrous.

By the way, the individual states have been highly diverse since their inception. I don't see why now is suddenly so different.
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Try twice - before the Constitution and then during the Civil War. In both cases, the results were disastrous.

By the way, the individual states have been highly diverse since their inception. I don't see why now is suddenly so different.
How do you propose to keep a centralized system with no money, then? Federal power extends as far as the demand for the dollar and our treasuries.
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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It's becoming obvious that our nation is too diverse for a centralized government we have now. Simply we shouldn't have a government where the democratic socialist views of Bernie Sanders should have an impact on Alabama, likewise, the anti-gay marriage views of a Senator from the south shouldn't have an impact on California, or Massachusetts via the federal government. I simply think America is too big and too diverse to have such a centralized government.
We had this argument 200+ years ago, and even fought a war over it later on.

What makes you think that horse isn't already out of the barn?

I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea, but I can't really see how it could be done at this point.

Bernie the Socialist Sanders is only one guy with one vote...
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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We had this argument 200+ years ago, and even fought a war over it later on.

What makes you think that horse isn't already out of the barn?

I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea, but I can't really see how it could be done at this point.

Bernie the Socialist Sanders is only one guy with one vote...
How can you say that our current situation is "working out?" You said we tried it 200 years ago and it failed, but aren't we failing as a country now?
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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How can you say that our current situation is "working out?" You said we tried it 200 years ago and it failed, but aren't we failing as a country now?
With many wanting to take the country back to the days of confederacy, push for the same ideologies, it doesn't surprise me that the threat of a failure is very real. I'm sure such resistance existed back then as well.
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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We had this argument 200+ years ago, and even fought a war over it later on.

What makes you think that horse isn't already out of the barn?

I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea, but I can't really see how it could be done at this point.

Bernie the Socialist Sanders is only one guy with one vote...
But then you add all of the other Democratics, who happen have socialist leaning, like Obama, and you have a mess.

About the OP, NO, we should not have a confederacy.
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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It's becoming obvious that our nation is too diverse for a centralized government we have now. Simply we shouldn't have a government where the democratic socialist views of Bernie Sanders should have an impact on Alabama, likewise, the anti-gay marriage views of a Senator from the south shouldn't have an impact on California, or Massachusetts via the federal government. I simply think America is too big and too diverse to have such a centralized government.
I can just see the mandates now. "All you gays need to move to California. All you racists have to move south. All you liberals have to move east. All you federal workers disperse according to your chosen prejudices." A confederacy would be great for moving companies but serve no other purpose. It would bring border wars closer to home and accomplish nothing but to feed into our lowest, basal instincts. Ever hear of yin and yang or checks and balances? Diversity is a good thing. It keeps us thinking, it keeps us humble and keeps us growing in our humanity.
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