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Old 05-20-2011, 07:07 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Allen West thinks Obama's backing of Palestine could signal the beginning of the end for Israel. Is this possible? What are we doing? I find myself cringing when I hear Obama say, "The United States thinks/wants/backs..." This doesn't sound like my country anymore.

Allen West on Obama Backing Palestine: ‘Could Be the Beginning of the End’ for Israel | The Blaze

Anybody sincerely think Obama's plan is really a feasible one? Anyone care to share what is in their crystal ball? I fear for Israel.
It was time a US president finally moved away from the old position of unconditional support for an ally who doesn't care about the US anyway.

I suggest a trial solution. Let the Palestinians have their state within the borders of 67 under the condition that things will return to the current condition if there still are rocket or suicide attacks. Then we would see if the Palestinian state is really what this mess is all about, i.e. if Palestinians are peaceful once they have their state. Of course there would have to be international or UN observers in the region to make sure Israel doesn't hire someone in Palestine to sabotage the agreement.
The implementation of the Palestinian state could not be immediate, there would have to be a date a couple of years from now, maybe between 2015 and 2020, which is still early enough for people to have a precise goal, and at the same time leaves time for the preparations. Let's face it, some Palestinians have no real life, no job, no education, no perspective, all they know is resistance and struggle. There would have to be an international effort (not least financed by the rich gulf states which have done little so far except for uttering verbal support) to launch an economy in Palestine and give people a vision of a better future in peace. Since there would likely be elections before the implementation, but after the preparations have started, the results of the elections would also show if people abandon the more radical parties.

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Old 05-20-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Italy
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GREAT! Time for the US to leave the region and let God take care of his people.
Indeed, if MAN stopped fighting, I think he'd learn rather quickly that God's not out to destroy anyone at all.

God doesn't need men to fight His wars. In fact, I think there's a scripture in the Bible somewhere that says that God's ways are "higher" than man's ways..

All these "holy wars" are man's making, nothing more...


Peace,
brian
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Old 05-20-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Some more info from the same source:


YouTube - ‪Obama - Stop Israel's massacre of Palestinians in Gaza‬‏


Blessings,
brian
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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We have a covenant with Israel that was NEVER suppose to be broken. We were suppose to stand by them because God said he will bless the nations that bless Israel and curse the ones that curse Israel.


If God is so gaga over Israel, let him defend them.

They mean nothing to me, nor does your fictitious god.
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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If God is so gaga over Israel, let him defend them.

They mean nothing to me, nor does your fictitious god.
Exactly.
Gee, whenever I read "god said this or that" I really start to doubt evolution
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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I am tired of having every country in the Middle East shaking us down for aid by threatening Israel. I am also tired of Israel shaking us down because they are threatened. I do not like paying protection money to anyone. The problem is a few folks in Israel and Hamas are making personal fortunes from our "generosity". That money is better spent building bridges at home.

I think we should stop supporting either side until they acknowledge each others existence and get on with living and trading together.
Being a Ron Paul supporter, I, too think we need to be far less involved in intervention with any foreign country's affairs. However, the fact is we are already deeply emeshed with the ME and need a plan for gradual withdrawal.

I also think that it was wrong of Obama to come out and publicly make a statement that attempted to micromanage the situation; i.e, define borders and appear to side with Palestine, not only because its not his call and came across as a slap in the face to Israel, but because at this particular time with the (possibly instigated and certainly cheered on by the U.S.) ME uprisings and uncertain outcomes and the ongoing and seemingly escalating hatred and calls for annihilation of Jews, his suggestion doesn't make any sense for Israel. We are forced to conclude he is either anti-Israel or incredibly naive.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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Just another speech really. Just like amny arab states we use aid to have a say i what they do. We certainly do not want to push irsrael to what they are capable of in defending themselves by forcing it has the abilty to do.Wequickly saw the reaction which I am sure israel was given assurance i privte about.Likely just election rethoric that may backfire really from the reaction.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Being a Ron Paul supporter, I, too think we need to be far less involved in intervention with any foreign country's affairs. However, the fact is we are already deeply emeshed with the ME and need a plan for gradual withdrawal.

I also think that it was wrong of Obama to come out and publicly make a statement that attempted to micromanage the situation; i.e, define borders and appear to side with Palestine, not only because its not his call and came across as a slap in the face to Israel, but because at this particular time with the (possibly instigated and certainly cheered on by the U.S.) ME uprisings and uncertain outcomes and the ongoing and seemingly escalating hatred and calls for annihilation of Jews, his suggestion doesn't make any sense for Israel. We are forced to conclude he is either anti-Israel or incredibly naive.
Speaking from both ends. If you support gradual move out of a region, what do you think the first move should be? Not being honest and upfront about what you support and your moves?
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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Speaking from both ends. If you support gradual move out of a region, what do you think the first move should be? Not being honest and upfront about what you support and your moves?
I don't see Obama as moving out of the region. Just shifting alliance.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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I've wondered for many years why we couldn't have donated Long Island as a Jewish homeland. Would've solved tons of problems.
Pretty antisemitic..why do you hate Jews, bigot
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