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Sorry, I don't really see the correlation. Voting usually requires a short trip to a polling place near one's home. There are groups such as the League of Women Voters who will give people rides to the polls. Getting an older person dressed, into the car and out the door can be daunting. Your dad is one of the lucky ones. Getting an ID can require a trip to another town to the DMV, to an area the person is totally unfamiliar with. It can be enough to discourage a senior from doing it. And even worse, IMO, is the notion that you have to have one of these ID cards to vote!
Ahhh, the poor babies might actually have to go do something that the rest of americans have to do.. Again, why do you think seniors should be exempt from the same laws the rest of us have to follow?
[b]How many of these voter ID laws also address the lack of a paper trail? How many address voter intimidation?
I do know that in one state, I think it's Texas, there is a bill calling for a paper trail as well as a bill calling for voter ID. The bill calling for the paper trail was introduced and then put into a committee where it still sits. The Bill calling for voter ID is about to be sent to the Governor, or maybe has been already/B]
Ahhh, the poor babies might actually have to go do something that the rest of americans have to do.. Again, why do you think seniors should be exempt from the same laws the rest of us have to follow?
Thus far, there is no law for everyone else to produce a picture ID. And you'd think you might have some respect for your elders! One usually sees that kind of a post in regard to college students or 20somethings.
Ahhh, the poor babies might actually have to go do something that the rest of americans have to do.. Again, why do you think seniors should be exempt from the same laws the rest of us have to follow?
I don't have a problem with the doing, it's the paying that I'm unwilling to do. When I have to pay for a copy of my birth certificate to vote, I see that as no different from a poll tax, so count me out.
Great. And now they can bring their state-issued ID card along with it.
Not when I have to pay for a copy of my birth certificate to renew my state-issued ID card. I'll do or show anything reasonable as long as it doesn't cost cash.
"if they are mobile enough to go vote,then they are mobile enough to get an id"
Sorry, I don't really see the correlation. Voting usually requires a short trip to a polling place near one's home. There are groups such as the League of Women Voters who will give people rides to the polls. Getting an older person dressed, into the car and out the door can be daunting. Your dad is one of the lucky ones. Getting an ID can require a trip to another town to the DMV, to an area the person is totally unfamiliar with. It can be enough to discourage a senior from doing it. And even worse, IMO, is the notion that you have to have one of these ID cards to vote!
I think many are underestimating the elderly in this country. IMO, MOST are fine with being slightly inconvenienced for the betterment of their country. Most hold a much more responsible attitude than the younger people they have raised and are watching being raised. My Dad died 2 years ago at 86. He still had his original birth certificate, baptismal papers, SS card, military papers and still held a drivers license that was expired but was still a valid proof of identity. He was deaf and blind yet lived on his own until 3 weeks before his passing.
If you think the elderly are afraid of going to unfamiliar territory to get an ID you must not realize the True Changes they have witnessed in their lifetimes. The elderly IMO are the least likely to find a problem with this.
What is so traumatizing to you that someone should have to prove who they are to vote? We are currently on a cross country road trip visiting our children and found it interesting how many gas stations were only accepting pay at the pump (credit cards) as payment. Now that could be a scary scenario for many whose credit just took a nose dive. But an ID card? I don't understand why that would be frightening in the least.
None of the examples you give are "state issued" ID although 14 year olds can't vote anyway, rendering that moot.
A lawn service ID is acceptable? A YMCA ID? Seriously? Those should be valid, but a person's signature isn't?
So you really think a person should have to get their picture taken at a DMV office to be able to vote? That sounds kind of totalitarian to me. Some of these old folks are going to be totally offended when they all of a sudden have to "prove" themselves after voting for 50-60 years or more.
My point was that the excuse that "picture ID is too hard to get" is pretty moot considering the number of places that issue it or require it.
To answer your question: Yes, I absolutely believe a person should be required to identify themself and, in some circumstances, prove residence in order to vote.
I'm 57 and get carded every single time I buy alcohol in MD and, depending on where it is, when I buy cigarettes. Friday it was at a Sheetz outside Hagerstown, MD. Yesterday I was carded at a wine shop in DuBois, PA, although that was because i was buying a case and needed a transit form.
Ask Senator Franken, he owes his seat to voter fraud.
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