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It's better than what we have today..walking in and signing a name.
Are you for or against trying to do what it takes to prevent fraudulent voting ?
Making a mountain out of a molehill. People have IDs. Let them show the ID when they vote.
Despite all the rhetoric, I've seen no evidence of a massive wave of people pretending to people they are not at the polls.
Not everyone has the type of IDs that most of the photo ID laws are talking about and those IDs can be faked, so what good are they for the purposes of voting.
The voting place can be in the building they live in, or some place they can walk to, or bused to the polling place. I know several people that no longer drive. I know people who have never driven.
As to why I'm making this so hard, I'm against adding extra obstacles which will most likely just disenfranchise certain segments of the population for no practical purpose. Photo IDs will not prevent organized efforts of voter fraud.
People in the US disenfranchise themselves by not voting or, in many case, not even bothering to register to vote. And they have a multitude of reasons from "I don't want to get jury duty" to "It won't make any difference anyway".
To use the excuse that someone won't vote because they have to show ID is disingenuous at the very least. People who actually do vote are serious about doing so and won't stop because they are ID'ed. Tha's like saying someone will stop drinking if they get carded when they buy a 6-pack of beer.
Not everyone has the type of IDs that most of the photo ID laws are talking about and those IDs can be faked, so what good are they for the purposes of voting.
Locks can be picked and doors can be kicked in,
but I still lock my doors. A less than perfect
impediment to fraud is still better than none.
People in the US disenfranchise themselves by not voting or, in many case, not even bothering to register to vote. And they have a multitude of reasons from "I don't want to get jury duty" to "It won't make any difference anyway".
To use the excuse that someone won't vote because they have to show ID is disingenuous at the very least. People who actually do vote are serious about doing so and won't stop because they are ID'ed. Tha's like saying someone will stop drinking if they get carded when they buy a 6-pack of beer.
The issue is, IMO, that making one more step may be enough to discourage someone. If they have to go to the DMV to get this card, or to a notary with their mail in ballot, a certain % will just say "the hell with it".
I did post it awhile back and it is coming to light now with the states.
Modern American life.......not for the people over 70-80-90 they do not all adapt themselves to modern technology and should not be forced to.
If you are not aware of anyone not having a DL or state issued ID you are only fooling yourself.
And? It's gonna happen sooner or later, and I'm not fooling myself. I have never met anyone over the age of 18 that didn't have a state issued ID or driver's license. They're seriously not that expensive and if one goes to the MVD Express or whatever it's called where you're at, you can get one in like 10-15 minutes if you schedule an appointment ahead.
I don't quite understand what the beef is. This isn't the "GOP" or "Republicans" or whatever making it harder to vote, it's people who just want to make sure that you are who you're claiming to be. Wouldn't it be great if we could finally squash all those stupid stories about voter fraud? People already blow it way out of proportion in my belief, but it is nevertheless a legitimate concern and states requiring gov't issued ID or DL isn't going to change anything about American life in any big way.
The issue is, IMO, that making one more step may be enough to discourage someone. If they have to go to the DMV to get this card, or to a notary with their mail in ballot, a certain % will just say "the hell with it".
Ahhh, poor babies.. too lazy to go get a photo ID.. I bet somehow they will manage to go apply for social security and/or get their welfare approved. Maybe we'll be better off if some of these people too dam lazy to take it upon themself to get an id so they can vote because they wont be supporting politicians that increase their "entitlements"..
Yep.. thats right.. I said it.. If you are too dam lazy to go get the paperwork and follow the process, THEN DONT VOTE..
What is it that people think everyone should vote? Personally I want those who know how lucky they are to be able to vote, not those who think its a chore.
The issue is, IMO, that making one more step may be enough to discourage someone. If they have to go to the DMV to get this card, or to a notary with their mail in ballot, a certain % will just say "the hell with it".
And? It's gonna happen sooner or later, and I'm not fooling myself. I have never met anyone over the age of 18 that didn't have a state issued ID or driver's license. They're seriously not that expensive and if one goes to the MVD Express or whatever it's called where you're at, you can get one in like 10-15 minutes if you schedule an appointment ahead.
I don't quite understand what the beef is. This isn't the "GOP" or "Republicans" or whatever making it harder to vote, it's people who just want to make sure that you are who you're claiming to be. Wouldn't it be great if we could finally squash all those stupid stories about voter fraud? People already blow it way out of proportion in my belief, but it is nevertheless a legitimate concern and states requiring gov't issued ID or DL isn't going to change anything about American life in any big way.
Well there is plenty, if you would have looked at some of the links provided you would have seen there are.
You need a current birth certicate (not your original in my state) so you pay for that, plus you pay $13.50 for the State issued ID
Yes it would be great, as I mentioned when the REAL ID is in progress in 2013 , it should have your voter ID on your license or State issued card, all on one card, they can hide your party affil. with a hologram or something like that, if you move then you pay for another one.
Not all states require State Issued ID's, if you look at the other link you will see that also.
Yes voter fraud is wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't need to produce ID at the polling, if they do not know you they may ask.
This is law in some states I believe its 28 of them.
There are 22 states that do not have this law, people with no DL or State Issued ID card in these states may not know about this starting in the states, not everyone is on CD, so now some people are aware, who read this and do not post here.
I'm sure they will go to get their State issued ID's, but as one poster mentioned it, traveling far to get a new birth certificate paying for that & then paying again at the DMV they may say the hell with it, especially seniors on limited incomes, and the poor.
This has not been in the spotlight much on regular TV, on cable news yes, when the seniors found out about medicare at a later date they spoke.
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