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Old 05-24-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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That's bull, you can see it firing through the siding on the wall at the ATF agents. The fact that there were illegal automatic weapons was the reason for the warrant. But if you want to side with Domestic Terrorists over Law Enforcement line up with MOVE and the Symbionese Liberation Army. When they come for you I'll be cheering
Wrong yet again. The ATF had no warrant for any firearms, illegal or otherwise. The ATF warrant was for a Meth. lab that was turned in to the local Sheriff by Koresh himself five years before the ATF raid, and the ATF knew. In other words, it was an illegal warrant. In such a case, it was the ATF who were the "Domestic Terrorists," not the Davidians. Which is why all 11 of the surviving Davidians were acquitted of the four ATF deaths that resulted during their raid.

Like I said, you are completely clueless.
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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WACO sounds like a precedent for the raid that wound up with a veteran getting shot 60+ times by an overzealous SWAT team. We had a local man shot in his bed by a local anti drug cop. The victim was holding his 5 yr old son at the time. The cop was never charged with any crime.

Waco and all the rest smell like government assignations instead of proper arrests. I wonder what these people did that made the government want to kill them. Drug or firearms violations do not seem to me to be a good enough reason. Police corruption is a better reason but I doubt if anyone will research any of these as cold cases.
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:51 AM
 
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If they had had a functioning Governor of Texas at the time( They only had Ann Richards), they should have ordered the feds to back off and to let cooler heads prevail until a peaceful settlement was reached. Send in the national guard to assume a perimeter. It may have taken longer. OR, if that was impossible, then you send in a team to take down the aggressors and free the hostages. It was a very poorly handled response and Janet Reno was a doddering, spineless rubber stamp that did anything she was told to do and had zero leadership ability.
They feds may have ignited the fire( more likely but possibly not intentionally) or some of the cultists may have, but they had zero planning on what to do if from that point on. It was like MOVE in Philadelphia. Just make your assault and watch things go from bad to worse to unspeakably horrible.
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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If they had had a functioning Governor of Texas at the time( They only had Ann Richards), they should have ordered the feds to back off and to let cooler heads prevail until a peaceful settlement was reached. Send in the national guard to assume a perimeter. It may have taken longer. OR, if that was impossible, then you send in a team to take down the aggressors and free the hostages. It was a very poorly handled response and Janet Reno was a doddering, spineless rubber stamp that did anything she was told to do and had zero leadership ability.
They feds may have ignited the fire( more likely but possibly not intentionally) or some of the cultists may have, but they had zero planning on what to do if from that point on. It was like MOVE in Philadelphia. Just make your assault and watch things go from bad to worse to unspeakably horrible.
As I previously pointed out, Janet Reno was not the Attorney General at the time of the Waco raid. She was not confirmed by the Senate until after the twelfth day of the raid and standoff. Stuart M. Gerson was the acting Attorney General from January 20, 1993 until March 12, 1993.
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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you send in a team to take down the aggressors and free the hostages.
What hostages? Their own children?
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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On this day, let us pause and remember the 79 people, including 20 children (14 under the age of 6) who were murdered by the federal government on 4/19/1993.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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Waco and the events that transpired changed the way I thought of our government 180 degrees. And who brought us this mass murder of American citizens? Bill Clinton.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Waco and the events that transpired changed the way I thought of our government 180 degrees. And who brought us this mass murder of American citizens? Bill Clinton.
I wonder how much he was influenced by Hillary.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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For some reason or another I was thinking about the Waco Siege earlier today.
It's all about power and controlling other people's lives. The government and LE in particular doesn't like people who they cannot control.

There was no reason those people in Waco should have died. But Reno and her LE needed to show the world that they are in control. So they murdered the entire bunch.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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On this day, let us pause and remember the 79 people, including 20 children (14 under the age of 6) who were murdered by the federal government on 4/19/1993.
And the bad thing is NOBODY was charged with their murder. Of course, it's only the government who can murder people with impunity.
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