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Old 05-23-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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Why are so many Republicans either dropping out or not running? Like Texas Gov Rick Perry, Christie, Daniels, Rubio, Ryan....the list goes on and on.


It really seems like the GOP is throwing in the towel and thinks Obama cant be beat so it doesn't want to tarnish one of their "stars".

And I was thinking hypothetically if one party KNEW they couldn't win this is exactly what would be going on.

I think Obama is beatable but not by a Cain/Bachman ticket.

Am I the only one that feels this way?
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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Why are so many Republicans either dropping out or not running? Like Texas Gov Rick Perry, Christie, Daniels, Rubio, Ryan....the list goes on and on.


It really seems like the GOP is throwing in the towel and thinks Obama cant be beat so it doesn't want to tarnish one of their "stars".

And I was thinking hypothetically if one party KNEW they couldn't win this is exactly what would be going on.

I think Obama is beatable but not by a Cain/Bachman ticket.

Am I the only one that feels this way?
Problem with the GOP is that in order to fire up the base you have to be a fringe right wing extremist. A right wing extremist will not win the Presidential election, at least not in 2012.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Why are so many Republicans either dropping out or not running? Like Texas Gov Rick Perry, Christie, Daniels, Rubio, Ryan....the list goes on and on.


It really seems like the GOP is throwing in the towel and thinks Obama cant be beat so it doesn't want to tarnish one of their "stars".

And I was thinking hypothetically if one party KNEW they couldn't win this is exactly what would be going on.

I think Obama is beatable but not by a Cain/Bachman ticket.

Am I the only one that feels this way?

Who dropped out? There are many reasons not to run. There are a few very solid candidates who can beat Obama. If unemployment remains high Obama's goose is cooked.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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Problem with the GOP is that in order to fire up the base you have to be a fringe right wing extremist. A right wing extremist will not win the Presidential election, at least not in 2012.
I agree, absolutely. The republicans have to pull in independent and moderate candidates to beat Obama, and many like Palin who have strong appeal from the base can't pull in those much needed swing voters.

The Republican party has a major problem on its hands. Yes, Obama is very beatable. But the Republican party is so fragmented right now between the Tea Partiers, the Social Conservatives, and the moderate conservatives, they can't field a candidate yet who could unify the party as a whole. I know there are many people who think the Tea Party movement is in the majority, simply because "Obama is a socialist/Communist and the nation will rise up to oust him," but most of us like to look at this next election rationally and pragmatically. An extremist candidate will not win, not matter what the circumstances.

And many, like myself, would like to see an actual leader with good ideas, sensible (not radical) solutions, and the political savvy to do the things that need to be done.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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All the somewhat reasonable candidates have passed because they see no reason to blow their wad on a non-starter. They know their chance of beating Obama after going so far right in the primary will be nill. They aren't stupid, none of them care about there families or charity. They know if they get exposed and lose in a general that's it. They'll take there chances in a 2016 open field probably against Duval Patrick, Hilary, Anthony Weiner, Cory Booker, Martin O'Malley.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:21 PM
 
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Who dropped out? There are many reasons not to run. There are a few very solid candidates who can beat Obama. If unemployment remains high Obama's goose is cooked.

Your right not many have "dropped" out...most have chosen not to run in the first place which leads ME to think they THEY think they cant win.

How can one party say the country is headed for disaster and then all the decent candidates not even suit up for game day.

It really bothers me.


I think a Rick Perry/Marco Rubio Ticket could win and unite the entire party...but surprise surprise both aren't running.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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And to use a football analogy.

Its like when a Team already knows its going to the playoffs and has one more regular season game.

They have all the stars on the bench because they don't want anybody injured before the playoffs.

Thats why this whole thing seems "pre-planned" to me.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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I think a Rick Perry/Marco Rubio Ticket could win and unite the entire party...but surprise surprise both aren't running.
You're joking right? You can't possibly think the guy that wanted to break away from the union, turned down stimulus money before crying for it, then asked that his state pray for rain could lead a ticket with a guy that just showed up 5 minutes ago? Nahh, you're joking.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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Your right not many have "dropped" out...most have chosen not to run in the first place which leads ME to think they THEY think they cant win.

How can one party say the country is headed for disaster and then all the decent candidates not even suit up for game day.

It really bothers me.


I think a Rick Perry/Marco Rubio Ticket could win and unite the entire party...but surprise surprise both aren't running.

I don't agree. Some, like Christie, aren't running because they aren't ready. He has been Governor for 2 years. Daniels early doesn't want his personal life dragged throught the gutter. Perry isn't supported by establishment GOP types and Rubio isn't ready. Obama is very vulnerable, the Republicans know it. I think Pawlenty and Romney are both very strong candidates.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:34 PM
 
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You're joking right? You can't possibly think the guy that wanted to break away from the union, turned down stimulus money before crying for it, then asked that his state pray for rain could lead a ticket with a guy that just showed up 5 minutes ago? Nahh, you're joking.


If the election of Obama taught us anything its that experience is not required just charisma...Rubio has that in spades, also would satisfy the Tea Party'ers and steal minority votes in heavy Hispanic states.

Rick Perry uses hyperbole just like ANY other politician...if you believe he wants to succeed from the union then you must believe Obama really wants to close GitMo or get out of Afghanistan....
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