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Old 05-25-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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People need to understand that there is no appetite in middle-America to get rid of Medicare or social security. Of course the system needs to be reformed but privatization is clearly a non-starter. So we need to be mature about this and start talking about other options.

And what are those options? How do you maintain an three major unsustainable entitlements without restricting the pool of the benefciaries or the amount of thier benefits?

It is simple math that the liberals cannot bring themselves to face. Entitlements need to be cut in some fashion, yet no one will accept any cuts. This assures our destruction by inaction.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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And what are those options? How do you maintain an three major unsustainable entitlements without restricting the pool of the benefciaries or the amount of thier benefits?

It is simple math that the liberals cannot bring themselves to face. Entitlements need to be cut in some fashion, yet no one will accept any cuts. This assures our destruction by inaction.
The problem is that you assume that cuts have to be borne just by the beneficiaries. But, maybe we can look at taking some of the cost out of the provider side too.

But, ultimately, the whole system needs reforming and not just Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. We will never get cost out of the system and improve effectiveness unless we take a holistic view of the problem.

There is a political logic in this election result that you cannot ignore.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And what are those options? How do you maintain an three major unsustainable entitlements without restricting the pool of the benefciaries or the amount of thier benefits?

It is simple math that the liberals cannot bring themselves to face. Entitlements need to be cut in some fashion, yet no one will accept any cuts. This assures our destruction by inaction.
Considering that you've done the math and have the solution, please do tell what criteria have you come up with to restrict the beneficiaries in Medicare?
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The only one that has and will take anything away from seniors that are on Medicare today, is the Obamacare deal, that was shoved down our throats.

Nothing in the Ryan plan, changes today's seniors current plan.
Age 55 as of today.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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This is total bull Sheit. First off Ryan's plan make it a voucher system that will not cover people like it does now. Seniors will have to put in much more for less coverage. Second if the plan was so great than why exempt people over 55? Because they know that this crap system would be the end of them and they have forgotten that not all people are as greedy as they are and many even republicans care about their children. Third the Ryan plan also includes a reduction of taxes on the wealthy at the same time it is destroying Medicare. So they are with one hand taking away Medicare from the poor and giving tax breaks to the wealthy. NY 26 is a bell whether but as I watched Ryan today on Morning Joe, he and the rest of the mind numb will not see it for what it is. Thankfully, This will be a big issue and if this is the hill they want to die on Democrats could not have picked a better one to fight. This is a lose lose issue for the Republicans and a win win for Democrats. As we have seen in Wisconsin, Ohio,Michigan and Florida Republicans have been reaching for the brass ring of giving total control to the very wealthy in this country as they push grandma off the cliff.
Too true, the Repubs know this is a losing position and are desperately trying to deflect. Currently, they are going back to the failed "Death Panels" argument.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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The only one that has and will take anything away from seniors that are on Medicare today, is the Obamacare deal, that was shoved down our throats.

Nothing in the Ryan plan, changes today's seniors are dropped from there current plan.
Age 55 as of today.
The Ryan plan is political suicide for the GOP. It is an electoral non-starter no matter what you or I may think of it.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: AL
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Again..This election has less to do with Medicare and more to do with typical Dem tactics of running two cand. to suck off votes from the Rep...Sorry to burst your bubble.

This so-called TEA guy was all a scam from the begining but I guess the peope up there were to nieve to see it.
He ran I believe 2X's before this as a DEM..opps and lost.




Re-post for the ill informed...Only scare tactics work for Dems because they have absolutly nothing to offer,hey they can't even pass a budget on the Senate side

2 yrs and counting
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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"Democrat Kathy Hochul won a vacant U.S. House seat in a heavily Republican district in upstate New York in a special election that became a referendum on the GOP plan to transform Medicare."

Democrat wins House seat on Medicare issue - Politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

Well, well..I guess we know where America stands on the medicare issue if republicans will vote out their own who want to get rid of it.
“I will fight any plan that tries to decimate Medicare "

So, some politician in liberal NY used the tried and true, democratic party, campaign gimmick, of scaring the elderly over Medicare?

The plan that Ryan proposes is not much different from the Medicare Advantage Plan that many senior citizens enjoy today. These people also have to pay a few thousand a year in out of pocket expenses, but they still like the plan. Ryan's plan would not be much different at all.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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And what are those options? How do you maintain an three major unsustainable entitlements without restricting the pool of the benefciaries or the amount of thier benefits?

It is simple math that the liberals cannot bring themselves to face. Entitlements need to be cut in some fashion, yet no one will accept any cuts. This assures our destruction by inaction.
Ever heard of peaks and valleys? Ever hear that we all die? The baby boomers in time will pass relieving the system. That is just the way it is. And sense this is a benefit to working Americans it should be protected at all costs otherwise people will in time---split, creating a worse peak. The US Pentagon spends hundreds of billions, if not a trillion dollars a year in defense which is an obligation but I'll wager it has become nothing more in many ways "a troth" a feeding frenzy with no end in sight, taking place at the expense of the American middle class, so that some contractors, families and individuals can enrich themselves with cash and power. The working American's benefits should trump this and Wall Street's greed "period" and end of story.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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No you poor thing, that was "Medicare Advantage" which was a ripoff to Seniors and taxpayers.

Good riddance.
Another LIE - make sure to get for facts straight before you open your mouth.
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