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Old 05-28-2011, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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That's the point. The suburbs exist in part due to government spending, esp. on infrastructure and oil subsidies. Republicans deride government spending and then drive on government funded roads and drive massive vehicles that use oil from companies that receive subsidies and then send their children to public schools. It's absurd.
Democrats deride capitalism and tell anyone that will listen how evil corporations are. Then they got to Wal Mart and stores like that and buy things. It's absurd.
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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If it wasn't for government intervention, the burbs wouldn't exist, at least not to the extent they do today. Do you really think a private corporation would spend millions of dollars in road nfrastructure for a few thousand customers?
Les Wexner, a private bsuinessman in Columbus Ohio, spent tens of millions expanding and upgrading government owned roads because he put in a new shopping center.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:50 AM
 
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The truth about Rick Perry's "Texas miracle" - Rick Perry - Salon.com
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Every single day I hear republicans preaching about the greatness of "Smaller government" and "Less government spending".

When I drive through the republican area (suburbs) of any city, I notice that republicans tend to live in the areas with the highest government spending:
Extra wide roads, extra bright street lighting, extra wide sidewalks, etc, etc.

Then I drive through the areas where the government spends little money (ghetto) and I bet you would never see a republican in that area:
narrow roads with potholes and sitting water, no sidewalk, almost no lighting, etc, etc.


If republicans love "small government" and "low government spending"
why don't they live in the areas where you find that?
For the most part, federal government isn't paying for streets, sidewalks, lighting, etc. That is paid for primarily through local property taxation. Most republicans that I know don't have a problem with local government but want limited federal interference.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So in other words in your "republican areas" the local governments spend money only on the things they're supposed to be funding like infrastructure and education, whereas your Democrat municipalities are so busy spending money on welfare, crony contracts, and labor unions, that they have no money for the essentials. Basically, per your own admission municipalities run by Republicans are fairly fiscally responsible whereas those run by Democrats are in dire straights.
The OP did not mention welfare, crony contracts, and labor unions.

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For the most part, federal government isn't paying for streets, sidewalks, lighting, etc. That is paid for primarily through local property taxation. Most republicans that I know don't have a problem with local government but want limited federal interference.
Mental gymnastics, perfect 10! Government is government.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Mental gymnastics, perfect 10! Government is government.
Then refute what I said. Who pays for local streets, sidewalks, and streetlighting? Government spending is not government spending when you consider that local communities have a lot more say and control in how their tax dollars are allocated at the local level than at the federal level. Local government is not anywhere equivalent to federal intrusion.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Then refute what I said. Who pays for local streets, sidewalks, and streetlighting? Government spending is not government spending when you consider that local communities have a lot more say and control in how their tax dollars are allocated at the local level than at the federal level. Local government is not anywhere equivalent to federal intrusion.
Shades of Geroge Orwell.

Doublespeak Then and Now

Local governments often get grants from their state and the feds to help pay for these amenities as well.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Dopo View Post
Every single day I hear republicans preaching about the greatness of "Smaller government" and "Less government spending".

When I drive through the republican area (suburbs) of any city, I notice that republicans tend to live in the areas with the highest government spending:
Extra wide roads, extra bright street lighting, extra wide sidewalks, etc, etc.

Then I drive through the areas where the government spends little money (ghetto) and I bet you would never see a republican in that area:
narrow roads with potholes and sitting water, no sidewalk, almost no lighting, etc, etc.

If republicans love "small government" and "low government spending"
why don't they live in the areas where you find that?
Numerous flaws
1) just because the blighted areas are ghettos, it doesnt mean there is less spending going on, its just spent differently. Rather than spending for things like lights, they are spending on housing, welfare.
2) Things like street lighting, sidewalks, are LOCAL expenditures, and if conservatives choose to pay for these things, and they choose to request them, then whats your complaint?
3) Sidewalks in most of the country is funded by the property owner.

Your own posting points out the flaws in liberalism which is funny considering you were trying to bash conservatism.. haha
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Many Republicans are against and want to cut funding for public education.

Fail. Give another example.
Your response is the failure.. many Republicans are against FEDERAL funding for public education, not local
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Shades of Geroge Orwell.

Doublespeak Then and Now

Local governments often get grants from their state and the feds to help pay for these amenities as well.
They may get state or federal grants for resurfacing of major thoroughfares (based on the designation of the street if it's designated as a major thoroughfare) or large projects, but the rest is almost always funded solely by local property taxation, as it should be. If I am benefiting from improved street lighting and beautification projects in my town, why should someone several states away have to pay for it?

Do you really not understand the difference between local and federal government and why republicans prefer local control vs. federal intrusion?
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