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Old 05-30-2011, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by Clark Park View Post
This answers my question with elegance and simplicity.

It is time to recognize that this is a controversial topic. Some people support gay people and some people do not.

Don't like gay people? Stay away from them. No one is forcing you to befriend them. If you work with or have neighbors or relatives who are gay be polite and civil.

On the other hand gay supporters need not try to "convert" or condemn folks on the other side. If you are secure in your sexuality and identity, why do you get offended when someone voices their opposition? Not everyone in the world is going to like you, something that Blacks, ethnic minorities, Jews, and others have known for a long time.

In my view, gay people have made brilliant contributions to human society in the sciences, arts, literature, sports, politics, and every field of human endeavor. To me it just make sense NOT to hold on to old prejudices and stereotypes.




Great!

Can we get the gay thought police out of the schools now?

 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:12 AM
 
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I noticed you made no attempt to challenge this person's logic before calling him or her a bigot. How is it you are not agreeing by default?
the definition of bigot the op fits
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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Homo sex is wrong, like adultrey, killing, stealing,porn. But if one cannot or will not live a perfect life then what's talking about it going to do.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:20 AM
 
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Homo sex is wrong, like adultrey, killing, stealing,porn. But if one cannot or will not live a perfect life then what's talking about it going to do.
Why is homo sex wrong?
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Homo sex is wrong, like adultrey, killing, stealing,porn.
Killing and stealing are wrong because those acts are committed against another person who suffers due to the acts.

Pornography and homosexuality do not share that trait

Adultery is somewhere in the middle, though I think I could be persuaded that it is more like killing and stealing.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:27 AM
 
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I had an argument with a family member about homosexuality and she tried telling me that homosexuality is normal. She took a class on Cultural Anthropology, so she had plenty of liberal garbage to spew. Having taken anthropology as well, I had plenty of ammunition to disprove her arguments.

My argument consisted of two statements: homosexuality is maladaptive to a species (homo sapiens sapiens specifically) and it is abnormal (in that a small percentage of the population is homosexual).

She mentioned the fact that ancient Greeks had homosexual relations for "fun" and also mentioned that homosexuality has been observed in almost every species of life. Her argument is fallacious in both arguments. That's like me saying that since there is slavery going on in the Sudan (and a number of African countries), that therefore, slavery is normal.

I would like someone to refute my statement so I can gain some insight into this issue, because I believe my statement is irrefutable. I am open-minded, so if someone can give me a sincere, logical argument, maybe you can make me a believer.

There's only one driving force behind her ability to even comprehend the question and it has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than the ability to produce and be an attractive candidate to produce with.

Other than that you're a consumer.

That usually throws the left in a tizzy since they hate both the ideas of reproduction and that they have no other purpose than to reproduce and consume materials in this universe.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
the definition of bigot the op fits
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
Actually, if you've been paying attention, I have kept an open mind throughout this discussion. Yes, I've had a little fun with some of the liberal loony tunes who provided emotional responses instead of logical responses. Can you find an example in this thread where I've been intolerant of any ideas other than my own, regarding religion, politics, or race? Or was that just an unfounded claim that you cannot back up with evidence.

Back to the original topic. I'm going to simplify things a little bit. A man is born with a reproductive organ. That reproductive organ is called a penis. A woman is born with a reproductive organ as well. That reproductive organ is called a vagina. When a penis is inserted into a vagina (I'll spare the details), conception takes place and if all goes well, nine months later a baby is born. The main purpose (but not only) for both the penis and the vagina is to reproduce. A man cannot reproduce with a man. A woman cannot reproduce with a woman. In order for the human species to survive, men must get together with women and "make babies". A homosexual can most certainly reproduce, although it is inimical in regards to their sexuality. A species full of homosexuals cannot ensure the survival of our species, unless they go against their nature. This is why I feel that homosexuality is counter to human nature and maladaptive. A man sticking his penis into a vagina is natural (and normal). A man sticking a penis into an anus (man or woman) is unnatural (and abnormal). This is reality, not bigotry.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Clark Park View Post
This answers my question with elegance and simplicity.

It is time to recognize that this is a controversial topic. Some people support gay people and some people do not.

Don't like gay people? Stay away from them. No one is forcing you to befriend them. If you work with or have neighbors or relatives who are gay be polite and civil.

On the other hand gay supporters need not try to "convert" or condemn folks on the other side. If you are secure in your sexuality and identity, why do you get offended when someone voices their opposition? Not everyone in the world is going to like you, something that Blacks, ethnic minorities, Jews, and others have known for a long time.

In my view, gay people have made brilliant contributions to human society in the sciences, arts, literature, sports, politics, and every field of human endeavor. To me it just make sense NOT to hold on to old prejudices and stereotypes.
People will get offended to the opposition since it really is vitriolic and irrational in nature.

No not everyone in the world is going to like you, but to hate a person on such a conditions (like race and sexuality) should be condemned. They shouldn't get a free pass. Period.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:46 AM
 
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People will get offended to the opposition since it really is vitriolic and irrational in nature.

No not everyone in the world is going to like you, but to hate a person on such a conditions (like race and sexuality) should be condemned. They shouldn't get a free pass. Period.
Are you saying that if someone disagrees with homosexuality that they are vitriolic and irrational?

If so, I think you need to be more respectful of opposing viewpoints. If not, I apologize for chastising you.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:47 AM
 
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Doesn't matter to me if you think it's maladaptive or abnormal. Experts on human behavior have long passed the idea that homosexuality should be corrected or classified as a medical problem. If you don't like homosexuality, fine, but really, why should we care?
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