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Old 06-01-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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What does fourth amendment protect?
It certainly doesn't protect drug use. You're going in circles. It protects against unreasonable search and siezures. If the government is going to give you money, they have the ability and the right to make certain demands. If you choose to accept the money, then you accept the conditions. If I get a government grant, it must be used under the conditions provided. The 4th amendment doesn't provide absolute protection against all searches.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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so what?

i know many people living the high life on unemployment when they can be working.
Really?
Somehow, I doubt that, I've never met anyone yet that got rich on unemployment.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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I really don't care one way or the other. There is no constitutional violation because it is a choice. I do have a few questions though.

1. Consistancy. This is inconsistant with the ideology of smaller govt., this is in fact bigger govt. and certainly nanny state style govt. This creates a larger beauracracy, which apparently is o.k., if you are seeking to regulate the poor and not help the poor.

2. Welfare is mainly for parents with children. SO what happens to the children when the parents are cut off? Do we then take them in and pay for their upbringing, or do we allow them to starve? This actually creates more govt.

You guys on the extreme right need to understand your own ideology.
Excellent question and it has already been asked by many in Florida. As far as I know, it has not be satisfactorily answered.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It certainly doesn't protect drug use. You're going in circles. It protects against unreasonable search and siezures. If the government is going to give you money, they have the ability and the right to make certain demands. If you choose to accept the money, then you accept the conditions. If I get a government grant, it must be used under the conditions provided. The 4th amendment doesn't provide absolute protection against all searches.
To test for drug use is an unreasonable search. What is your take on the Patriot Act, BTW?
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Does this test, also test for tobacco and alcohol?

It should.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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To test for drug use is an unreasonable search. What is your take on the Patriot Act, BTW?
To test randomly, I agree with you. To test as a condition for handing someone money they applied to get, is a different issue.

What part of the Patriot Act?
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Does this test, also test for tobacco and alcohol?

It should.
Testing for legal stuff?
Really?
How about caffeine?
One can get a false positive for alcohol by using hand sanitizer.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:39 AM
 
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I got an idea, since in one form or another we all receive assistance from the government - why not test the entire populace to determine who is eligible. Better yet, why not have to pass a drug test every 30 days to keep citizenship, so you can keep receiving these benefits of citizenship.

Never mind the fact that what is viewed as a legal drug vs illegal boils down $$ and typically not sound logic. How many people that abuse Rx drugs, perscribed by a doctor gets a free pass, but if I want to smoke a doobie with my friends why we play cards, I'm prosecuted. What about alcohol? Is that being put on the no no list, or does that get an exception for the testing?
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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Testing for legal stuff?
Really?
How about caffeine?
One can get a false positive for alcohol by using hand sanitizer.
So you think coke-cola, pepsi, coffee, cigs, and alcohol are food stamp or welfare $$ well spent? Just because their legal? Talk about
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I got an idea, since in one form or another we all receive assistance from the government - why not test the entire populace to determine who is eligible. Better yet, why not have to pass a drug test every 30 days to keep citizenship, so you can keep receiving these benefits of citizenship.

Never mind the fact that what is viewed as a legal drug vs illegal boils down $$ and typically not sound logic. How many people that abuse Rx drugs, perscribed by a doctor gets a free pass, but if I want to smoke a doobie with my friends why we play cards, I'm prosecuted. What about alcohol? Is that being put on the no no list, or does that get an exception for the testing?


Oh the irony! Seriously, that prescription s*** is highly addictive, and there is a risk of overdose to the point of death (same with alcohol) yet pot is illegal!
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